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hobbes
09-11-2002, 02:08
http://www.msnbc.com/news/832137.asp#BODY --- john pricci.
SARATOGA SPRINGS, N.Y., Nov. 7 —
“Racing’s Enron.” “Bet Fix Sows Panic, Doubt.” “Integrity of Pari-mutuel Betting At Risk.” “Can Racing Survive Latest Scandal?” “Sport’s Integrity On Trial in Pick Six Investigation.” Etc., etc.
Headline writers are having their way with the Breeders’ Cup Pick 6 investigation, which also has led the nightly news. It is all anyone talks about, or wants to talk about, at tracks and simulcast venues everywhere, especially here, very close to where the fraud was telephone-enabled. And I’m thinking: Could everyone please calm down here?
WHAT HAPPENED TO the Breeders’ Cup Ultra Pick Six was not a fix. No one tampered with the outcome of a sporting event.
What happened was that two (or was it three?) guys, one an insider with the knowledge and capability of beating the machine allegedly tried to steal $3.1 million. It was no different than when Willie Sutton walked into the bank and walked off with the cash. When Sutton was asked why banks, he replied: “Because that’s where the money is.”
It is no different for an industry that generates billions of dollars in business every year for thieves with the desire and ability to beat the system. In Sutton’s day, no one thought of abolishing banks. No one should think to abolish multi-race wagers at racetracks either, as some naively have suggested. It may be useful to recall the NRA slogan whenever the subject of gun control is broached. To paraphrase: Computers don’t rob the betting public; hackers do.
There are so many issues at work here that are, at once, disappointing, disturbing and alarming. One of them is public reaction. I have spoken to, or eavesdropped on, bettors at the Saratoga Equine Sports Center simulcast and at Capital District OTB’s Teletheater in Albany, N.Y., since returning from Chicago. To no one’s surprise, bettors see larceny beneath every rock.
I discovered, too, that many of these same bettors invariably blame duplicitous jockeys for every losing bet and larcenous trainers every time a favorite gets beat. It is never poor handicapping or money management skills.
More disappointing were the conversations overheard, a pitiful blend of hero worship and wishful thinking. I should have known what to expect. Maybe I’ve spent too much time around racetrackers where talent, pride and dedication separate the winners from losers, a handful of “cheaters” notwithstanding, of course.
What is most disturbing, however, is the lack of knowledge many officials have about the wagering process, a handicapper’s wagering methodology and tote system limitations. From an OTB chief who ignored the obvious four-single/two-all-button red flag and thought this one lucky bettor was good for the game; to a betting company chairman who believed the security issue was resolved before any damage was done and the betting company president who also believed the bet was legitimate and good for racing; all are fools, or worse.
Or maybe they think horseplayers are. How can so many industry executives act in the sport’s best interests when they don’t know what they’re doing? Did it occur to them that the simple math showed the payoff on six winning tickets was about a third of a winning parlay? Do they even know what a parlay is? Didn’t they know that those six winning tickets from one venue “won” 85 percent of the money bet?
How could Catskill OTB be allowed to conduct phone betting without audio-taped verification of any wager made? And does this governmental outfit, mandated into existence and allowed to prosper from the labors and expenses of what is essentially an agri-business, have the right to save pennies at the expense of an entire industry’s customers? Aside from the great handicappers Hahn and Davis, the real culprits are an outdated tote system and corporate greed —a familiar theme in new millennium America. The notion that actual pick six wagers are transmitted to the host track after four races are run to minimize cyber traffic is totally unacceptable and insulting, now and then.
And now there is new evidence to suggest that only “live combinations” are transmitted after five results are known. As this New York State Racing and Wagering Board investigation progresses, we are learning that there may be no monitoring system in place to track people with access to the betting software and that the technology, more than a decade old, lacks protection from insider manipulation. There is evidence to suggest, too, that many of the systems are even older and, in the face of all this, tote officials still decline comment about security procedures fearing public information could lead to a further breach. Isn’t it way too late to make this point, or haven’t corporate spinners yet arrived at a plausible explanation?
As an aside, horseplayers and the racing industry owe a huge debt of gratitude to trainer Phil Johnson and Volponi, whose Classic heroics brought this whole theft to light. Had favored Medaglia d’Oro won, there may have been 20 or 30 winning tickets with the skewed payoffs flying beneath the radar. Credit must be paid to the National Thoroughbred Racing Association and Breeders’ Cup Ltd. in calling for an investigation and the freezing of payout immediately after learning all tickets were sold in one of the smallest betting venues in the country.
Presently, all major racetracks are putting heat on tote companies to insure greater security and integrity of all wagering data. But all of racing must share the responsibility for what happened in Chicago and might have been happening for some time. And, once again, greed is a contributing factor. To wit: When the odds on last year’s Florida Derby winner Monarchos dropped two full points during the running of the race, it subsequently was learned that a large bettor with an arbitrage wagering program had been given special access to tote system information at a North Dakota OTB in order to place last minute wagers.
While there was no evidence of past-posting, it was learned that final betting-cycle data is not transmitted until after the pool closes. The public doesn’t see this change on the tote board until about 45 seconds later, well after a race has begun.
For fans watching on television, there is another delay in the transmission of information from tote system, to production truck, to screen. None of this gives bettors the feeling that their wagers are secure.
The NTRA’s calling for a task force to further investigate the issue of tote supplier security does not go far enough. Change is needed immediately. While investigations may help set policy in the future, they don’t address the present.
After the Monarchos incident, it was suggested that tracks suspend betting a minute before post time to allow for all simulcast wagers to be transmitted to the host track.
But greed won out. Tracks said they didn’t want the risk of shutting out last minute bettors and the bad public relations that might generate. Could there be a more specious argument? Last minute betting is last minute betting. In that context, does it matter if last minute betting occurs two minutes before the starting gate is locked, or 10 minutes before the first pick six race is run? Do tracks really believe that fans will object to this additional level of security? Has anyone asked that same question of frequent flyers lately?
Should this measure be taken, horseplayers will adapt to the perceived inconvenience. Bettors have had to endure much worse over the course of a wagering life. Tracks might lose a few dollars initially, but it shouldn’t take long for bettors to catch on. No player wants to be shut out.
Finally, after the tote suppliers bring software and security up to 21st century standards, racetracks could return to final-seconds wagering. As everyone knows, the NTRA does not have the power of an NFL or NBA league office. But they could take a stand on this issue and show some courage by publicly calling on their member tracks and organizations to finalize all betting in advance of post time.
Short of that, isn’t there a single racetrack out there willing to make their simulcast partners transmit all wagers prior to post time, or simply begin loading the horses after all simulcast data are in-house?
That would send the right message, possibly shaming their competitors into doing likewise for this newly found, marketable “security advantage.” At the very least, this would eliminate the need for those annoying, time-consuming “prices pending” announcements after a race is made official.
Stop throwing words at the problem. Fix it. Now.
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hobbes
10-11-2002, 07:14
finally we get to the nitty gritty. immediately i read of the so called double-hop transmission from some states i believed for the 1st time that bets were being placed/altered after the horses had junped. now someone is addressing the subject more directly. ( others have alluded to it including beyer.)
Friday, November 8 --- Are changing odds racing's real problem?
By Bill Finley Special to ESPN.com
Appropriately, N.T.R.A. Commissioner Tim Smith has jumped into the Breeders' Cup Ultra Pick Six mess with full force and promised that his office will do everything in its power to make sure that wagering security procedures are airtight and that anyone making a bet in the future need not worry they'll fall victim to a scam. Officials of several major racetracks have done the same, saying they'll get to the bottom of the problems and fix them. There have been meetings, committees have been formed and audit firms are going to be brought in.
That's all well and fine, but someone in power should also head to the nearest racetrack, OTB or simulcast location and talk to the people in the trenches who are out there betting every day. They're the ones whose opinions matter most and they are the ones who must be convinced that the game is completely on the level. This is what they will tell you: Forget the Pick Six mess, it's the odds fluctuations after a race has begun that really tees them off. They don't understand it, they don't like it and they want it to stop.
Ever since simulcasting became the dominant form of wagering in this country, the odds at the time the horses leave the gate and the odds at the time the race is declared official can vary, sometimes dramatically. A horse can break from the gate at 5-1, hit the eighth-pole at 7-2 and then pay $8.20 when it's all said and done. And it seems to happen a disproportionate amount of times with horses who are in front or battling for the lead and are more likely to win than ones stuck in the back of the pack.
Is something funny going on and is someone or somebody betting after the races have begun? Let's hope not, but that's not the point. Whether anything untoward is happening or not, you can't blame people for being suspicious. It's a case of perception being reality.
"There's no question someone is betting after the bell goes off," said Monmouth Park regular Mike Garafine. "It doesn't happen so much at the bigger tracks, but I see it happen all the time at places like Philly Park and Laurel. I don't know if it's someone using a computer or what. I understand that some money comes in late, but why is it that the odds always seem to drop on a horse who gets out front?"
"I'm sure they've been betting after the races have started and have been doing it for years," said another Monmouth patron, Bruce Fischbein. "Why is it always a horse contending for the lead or on the lead that gets bet down? They can do amazing things with computers these days."
Garafine and Fischbein are not your broken down horseplayers who think every race is fixed, every jockey is a thieving bum and the deck will forever be stacked against people like themselves.
Rather, they are two of New Jersey's most respected horseplayers, the type who are smart, know the game inside and are out there most every day trying to knock out a few winners. If they think someone is past posting or betting after the races have begun (they do) and if there are tens of thousands of others out there who think like them (there are), then racing had better take this matter very seriously.
The explanation from the industry is that the late odds changes are an unfortunate part of life in the simulcasting era. Because so much money is coming in from so many different places, much of it at the last second, it takes a while to gather and compute the information. When the horses break from the gate, there are still tens of thousands of simulcast dollars filtering in from around the country that haven't yet been calculated.
The good news is that this is a problem that is easily fixable.All the tracks and tote operators and OTB's have do is to put a delay in place between the time the betting windows close and the race begins. The race cannot start until every dollar that has been bet has been accounted for and the absolute drop-dead final odds are in. It may take 90 seconds, two minutes, but it will be worth the wait.
The industry has been reluctant to do it because no one wants to shut out bettors. Obviously, the first few days would be chaotic and there will be some players who don't get their bets in in time, meaning handle will have been lost. But people will quickly adjust. Once everyone knows that they have to get their bets in on time and there will be a delay between the time the windows close and the race is run, the problems will have ended. That will mean more happy customers and fewer cynical customers. In the post Pick Six scandal-era, that's all that really matters.

Handy Harry
21-03-2003, 19:11
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Associated Press

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- The mastermind behind the betting scam that nearly produced a $3 million payoff at the Breeders' Cup ended up with the least amount of jail time possible -- a year and a day.

Computer programmer Chris Harn, who worked for a company that processes horse racing bets, could have received more than seven years in prison if he had not helped authorities, Judge Charles Brieant said.

Co-defendant Glen DaSilva was sentenced to two years in prison and Derrick Davis received three years.

The former fraternity brothers tried to pull off the Pick Six betting coup during the Breeders' Cup last October. The three men, all 29, have been out on bail since pleading guilty. They were members of the Tau Kappa Epsilon fraternity at Drexel in Philadelphia in the 1990s.

The judge said the frat brothers might have gotten away with the scam under other circumstances. elsewhere.

"A little less arrogance and they would have done it on a day other than the Breeders' Cup,'' he said.

Prosecutor Stanley Okula said authorities could have made the case without Harn but his assistance helped end the case sooner. Harn told authorities how he used Autotote's computer system to rig the bet and implicated his co-defendants.

Harn and DaSilva pleaded guilty to fraud and money laundering. Davis pleaded guilty to wire fraud conspiracy. All three defendants expressed regret for their actions at sentencing.

"I realize I've hurt a great number of people,'' Harn said. "Forgiveness is earned, not granted, and I hope to pay my debt to society not with words but with my future actions.''

While working at Autotote, Harn discovered that when a bet was made on several races -- like a Pick Six bet on six consecutive races -- he could alter it before all the races were run.

When Harn told Davis about the loophole, Davis set up a telephone betting account for Harn to use. On Breeders' Cup day, Harn placed bets using Davis' account. After the first four races were run, Harn manipulated the computer system to give Davis all four winners, then bet on every horse in the remaining races to guarantee a winning bet.

Because several long shots were among the winners, including 43-1 shot Volponi in the Breeders' Cup Classic, the payoff was huge. And since Davis had the only winning tickets, suspicions were raised immediately about the unusual bet.

The money had been frozen until the sentencing, but was to be released by the U.S. attorney's office to Arlington Park. The racetrack was then expected to divide the money among the Breeders' Cup bettors who had picked five of six winners.

Instead of the $4,606 they received for their bets in October, they'll get about $44,000 each.

Seabiscuit
14-08-2003, 17:59
Story from http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=17334 See it is not just betting exchanges which have integrity queries over them. Totalisators can be rorted too. Interesting that the main point of preserving the integrity of racing seems to be to keep turnover alive and well. Judging by big increase in turnover in the UK after exchanges started up the punters don't seem too concerned with integrity. Perhaps the USA should switch from a tote to exchange system.

Reforms for Pari-Mutuel Wagering Security Outlined
by Tom Precious
Date Posted: 8/5/03 3:51:49 PM
Last Updated: 8/5/03 9:31:07 PM


Rudy Giuliani recommends wagering reforms.
AP/Robert Mecea Photo
Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani will recommend a series of reforms to the racing industry in the aftermath of the Breeders' Cup Ultra Pick 6 wagering fraud, including creation of a central, nationwide authority to help oversee security issues.
"You can't let down your guard and say it's all fixed," said Michael Hess, a longtime Giuliani advisor who works for the former mayor's consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, which was hired by the National Thoroughbred Racing Association to examine the pari-mutuel industry following the incident that rocked the racing world last year.

Hess, during a Saratoga Springs, N.Y., racing forum sponsored by Albany Law School, said Giuliani will make the recommendations public Aug. 17 at the Jockey Club Round Table in Saratoga. But Hess outlined a number of them Aug. 5, including formation of an entity--modeled somewhat like the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission that monitors Wall Street--to devise national pari-mutuel safeguards and to serve as a monitoring force for the industry.

Hess said the entity could devise a high-technology system to watch over the pari-mutuel side of the business, similar to a system in place at the New York Stock Exchange that can spot irregular patterns of stock buying and selling.

The firm will also recommend the industry update its "antiquated" technology systems that helped allow those convicted in the Ultra Pick 6 episode to pull off their betting scheme.

"Technology and computer systems have not kept up," said Hess, who was Giuliani's chief government lawyer, served as his adviser on racing matters, and was a top aid when Giuliani was U.S. Attorney in New York. He said the industry's current computer systems are not able to keep up with the growing number of tote systems from which bets can be made--a trend that "opened the ability for fraud," Hess said.

He also criticized the lack of recordkeeping at wagering hubs . The firm will also recommend that more uniform technology be used by tote companies to help improve security.

"The infrastructure of the wagering system has to be upgraded," Hess said.

Hess was vague about the details for the creation of what he called the National Office of Wagering Security, other than to say it would be composed of independent officials, including security experts, to help the industry keep abreast of ever-changing technologies that would help make it less vulnerable to abuses. It was unclear if the watchdog group would be private or government-run, or how it would be funded.

The entity would do security audits, including surprise inspections, of racetracks and betting hubs. "You need a central authority to oversee technology and security," Hess said.

The Giuliani aide said tote systems also need to restrict access to only "very trusted" employees. "Too many people have access, we have discovered," he said. "It's too loose at this point."

Hess said the positive finding about the firm's investigation is that the Ultra Pick 6 abuse was contained. "This was not a widespread thing...(but) a very limited practice," he said.

In an interview later, New York State Racing and Wagering Board chairman Michael Hoblock said many of the ideas unveiled by Hess were already under consideration by state racing regulators. But he said any changes the industry makes must be made nationally, not on a state-by-state basis.

Hoblock said funding, though, will be the major obstacle to getting many of the reforms implemented. At a time when some tracks can't afford to maintain their barn areas, asking them to spend more money on security issues could be a difficult reach, he said.

"But it's absolutely necessary to do these things for the survival of the industry," Hoblock said. "If you can't have the public's perception of a secure industry, you're not going to have an industry."

Hess appeared on a panel discuss the impact of the Ultra Pick 6 fraud. "Security should not really be a goal, but an ongoing process," said New York Racing Association vice president Bill Nader, who was among those who helped uncover the fraud.

On a related issue of increasing the comfort level of bettors, Nader said NYRA--starting Aug. 6--would tighten up its procedures to deal with bettor complaints about odds changing after a race has started. He said NYRA worked with its tote and television signal companies to ensure that Saratoga's television monitors--watched by 99% of bettors, he said--are first in line when it comes to posting a race's odds.

"Perception is everything," Nader said. "If our customers don't believe...they're getting a fair shake, our industry is dead."

Seabiscuit
08-10-2003, 15:46
Story from www.drf.com Doubt this is an only in America story

Past-post bets under investigation
By MATT HEGARTY
NEW YORK - Racing officials and regulators in New Hampshire are investigating a mutuel teller at Rockingham Park for allegedly placing and cashing bets on a race at Belmont Park after the race had already been run, state officials said Friday.
"We have been advised that there is a possibility that someone may have past-posted," said Paul Kelley, the director of the racing commission, using the term for placing bets after a race has started. "An investigation is under way, and we are working with the state attorney general." Kelley declined to comment further.

Ed Callahan, the general manager of Rockingham, would not comment beyond confirming the investigation. "I would think that in a week we will have a lot of answers, but right now we don't have any, and I can't comment," Callahan said.

If the teller was able to purchase and cash tickets after the running of the race, the scheme would have prevented legitimate winning bettors from getting the proper payoff.

The incident occurred on the 10th race at Belmont Park on Sept. 20, according to racing officials. At the start of that race, at least a dozen sites around the country, including Rockingham, were allowed to continue taking bets because of a malfunction in the electronic network that processes the wagers, the officials said.

It was unclear Friday which other sites were affected, but Bill Nader, a senior vice president for the New York Racing Association, said it involved sites principally on the Eastern seaboard. The malfunction occurred when the stewards' order to stop betting did not get through the totalizator network to a number of hubs, Nader said.

Joe Lynch, the chief of racing operations for the New York State Racing and Wagering Board, said that the racing commission was notified of the tote malfunction by Autotote, NYRA's totalizator supplier, following the Sept. 20 card. Lynch said auditors are looking over totalizator records to discover whether any suspicious bets were made.

Autotote's president, Brooks Pierce, did not return a phone call on Friday. The company does not normally comment on matters under investigation.

The Belmont race was won by the 8-5 favorite, Devils Peak, who paid $5.40. The horse was 9-5 at post time, but the odds drifted lower following the race's start. The second-place horse, Crazy Song, was 27-1 and paid $13.80 to place and $7.10 to show. The $2 exacta paid $117.50, and the trifecta paid $3,241.

The incident comes less than a year after the racing industry was shaken by the Breeders' Cup pick-six scandal, in which a totalizator company employee rigged the winning ticket by chaning the betting numbers to reflect winners after four races in the bet had already been run. Since then, the racing industry has attempted to tighten security in the totalizator network, including eliminating the ability of tellers to place or cancel tickets after races have started.

A Rockingham mutuel teller who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the teller who is being investigated bragged to co-workers about cashing thousands of dollars in wagers on the Sept. 20 race after punching in multiple tickets after the race had been run.

According to the co-worker, the teller under investigation had a reputation for stretching the rules by using a teller privilege known as the "cancel delay."

The cancel delay allows tellers to cancel tickets after the start of a race, a privilege intended to protect the teller from customers who will not or cannot pay for bets. The delay at most tracks that still use a cancel delay is five seconds.

The Thoroughbred Racing Associations, a racetrack trade group, recently asked all of its member tracks to prohibit cancel delays by Sept. 1, because the practice contributes to delays in posting final odds and because of the potential for abuse. Rockingham is not a member of the TRA.

hobbes
09-10-2003, 07:55
why did the HKJC move the TT races from 3, 4 ,6 to races 4, 5 ,6 ??

jack
09-10-2003, 19:15
One reason I heard.....to supposedly to make the TT more attractive for players when they take it international - to get the entire bet completed in approx 1 hour

Handy Harry
29-10-2003, 08:11
Dick Kettlewell

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On October 25, horseplayer Graham Stone turned $8 into $2.7 million.


By MATT HEGARTY


Graham Stone, the 40-year-old South Dakotan who hit the Breeders' Cup pick six on Saturday with his longtime business partner, knows what he would like to do with a portion of his $2.7 million in winnings.
"My dream has always been to go to Saratoga," Stone said Tuesday. "I've never been to a live racetrack. I'd love to go. But I'm kind of stuck here."

"Here" is Rapid City, S.D., where Stone lives with his wife and three children and where he became one of the more unlikely people ever to hit the Breeders' Cup pick six. Stone plays only casually, he said, but he follows horse racing year-round on television. He put together an $8 ticket for the pick six - a wager in which some syndicates invested tens of thousands of dollars - and ended up the only winner. And he said he will split the money with his business partner of 20 years, who did not participate in the handicapping.

In any other year, Stone's success would be the stuff of fairy tales. But Stone hit the bet one year after three former college roommates rigged a pick-six ticket on the Breeders' Cup at Arlington Park. The three eventually pleaded guilty to fraud charges and were sentenced to prison. Ever since, the racing industry has had to endure a torrent of scrutiny that was bound to cast doubt on any lone winner this year.

Stone's success had eerie similarities to the pick-six fix. Last year, the winning ticket used four singles, just like Stone's. But Stone used only two horses in the other two legs - the second and fourth - whereas the rigged ticket used all the horses in the last two legs. Last year, there was only one winning ticket, just like this year. The payoffs were also in line: $2.5 million for all six last year, $2.6 million this year.

Almost wearily, Stone said that he understood the questions surrounding his winning wager. But he said he follows horse racing closely and that it saddened him to read about the pick-six scandal last year.

"I really like horse racing, and I love to watch it," Stone said. "You hate to see [the sport] in all the papers for the wrong reasons."

Stone spoke on a conference call set up by the National Thoroughbred Racing Association, which has led the effort to enhance the security of the country's electronic wagering system since last year's scandal. On the call, NTRA officials detailed the steps they had taken to ensure that Stone's bet was legitimate, and they said they had no doubts that Stone won without cheating.

But others were doubtful. Jim O'Donnell, a reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times, pressed Stone on the conference call for any connection of his with Racing Services Inc., an offtrack betting company in North Dakota that was placed in receivership this year by government regulators after the company failed to pay state and local taxes. Stone said he had no connection to the company. Later, when Stone said that his sister had introduced him to racing after she managed an offtrack betting parlor in Rapid City, O'Donnell again peppered Stone with requests for clarifications.

The offtrack betting parlor, a bar and restaurant, went out of business two years ago and had no connection to Racing Services, according to Larry Eliason, executive secretary for the South Dakota Commission on Gaming. Eliason said such questions were becoming frustrating to him as well.

"The Breeders' Cup people know better than me, but I have no indication that this was anything but a legitimate bet," Eliason said. "I don't know the guy personally, but people told me that he's just a guy who plays every so often and he got lucky."

Stone said that he and his business partner, Will Dixon, split bets on the Breeders' Cup every year. This year, the total stake was $80. The pick-six ticket cost $8; the rest was spent on rolling pick threes.

Stone acknowledged that luck played a part in his success. He selected Six Perfections in the Mile, one of his four singles on the ticket, because he was looking for a closer. Since Six Perfections had Jerry Bailey, he went with her. In the Turf, he inexplicably switched his bet at the last minute from Falbrav, the eventual third-place finisher, to High Chaparral.

"I don't know why I did that," Stone said.

After placing the bets at 10:11 a.m. Mountain time - about 70 minutes before the first Breeders' Cup race - at a local betting shop, Stone returned home and watched the Breeders' Cup with his 5-year-old son on his lap, helping him with his coloring. But by the time the Classic came up, after he had already hit five of the first six races and sweated out a 15-minute delay to sort out the dead heat in the Turf, he asked his son to go upstairs.

"I had to be by myself at that point," Stone said.

NTRA officials are now ecstatic that a player like Stone hit the pick six - a victory for the little player. But they also acknowledged that they had their doubts when the winner was announced on Saturday.

Chip Tuttle, a public relations executive who led the NTRA communications efforts during last year's pick-six scandal, described how he spent all Saturday night with Ken Kirchner, Breeders' Cup's director of simulcasting, "trying to figure out how someone could have tampered with this bet. And we couldn't find anything. It's just a great story."

The question is: After the pick-six scandal, can anyone just be lucky anymore?

"I don't know," said Kirchner. "This is a really good guy, and this is a really good story, and he's a horse racing fan who loves the game. I think it's great."