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I am new to this page but want to see who knows what they are talking about in here.
Post your comments on the following horses:
1. Swaggie
2. Halo King Prawn
3. Top Dancer
4. Unbreakable
5. Members Glory
halo king prawn is overrated hype.
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As for HKP I think they should take off the blinkers with him for starters. They have to start from scratch with him as he has lost his fight to run, giving the rider a difficult ride in recent start(s).
He has definately got ability, but it is a matter of if Allan can get him to overcome his reluctancy to race at the moment. One thing to note in the past is that even in running on the race he won easily, he swished his tail when given a crack of the whip. That is generally not a good sign in regards to temperment.
nice site shadey - and JPD - love reading such serious commentry!
AS for HKP - no hasnt got what it takes class2 horse at best!
I still want comments on the other runners I posted in the original message. Explain in as much detail as possible please.
Horny Harry
04-10-2002, 17:45
You should put this link under international " lets travel aroundabit" for future reference.
As to the other horses, I have no idea about any of them Im afraid. But would love to hear all about Swaggie. That is if anybody knows anything about him!
corkey boy
04-10-2002, 19:35
I'll post a few comments on the others but let me check first. Stay tuned.
HKP - agree with Scarper
Unbreakable - talented but problamatic and you never see a lot of work from him.
Swaggie - not hopeless and D Cruz has yet to get to the bottom of this one. Likely improver for mine.
[ October 04, 2002, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: corkey boy ]
and what's the big reward for explaining anything to your satisfaction?
all those horses are cack and will only win 1 race each this season, except for top dancer who you stole of me.
my tips are much better.
the end.
[ October 04, 2002, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: shadey ]
I am still waiting for some interesting info-ideas on the horses mentioned in the original message. Unfortunately all that has been posted so far is already known or is just normal chitchat. As I said I want some solid answers.
I refuse to read anymore vague comments.
Or am I misunderstanding the point of this forum? Is this just a place where you comment on newspaper articles? Please create articles of your own if anything!!
Horny Harry
05-10-2002, 13:18
JPD...thank you for your input.
It might be nice to read what you think about the horses you have listed. Perhaps you could try and enlighten and educate us about the horses Halo King Prawn, Swaggie and the others that you have mentioned. Something interesting, something that isnt "vague chit chat"? You could also try writing some intersting articles of your own if that is your thing.There are many sections to this forum...perhaps you know something about Australian, Indian or USA racing.
That way we can all share in your obvious wealth of knowledge to make our experiences at the racetrack much more profitable? Its a matter of give and take here...rather than just take. :p
I'm sure Bill Gates is also in the chat rooms and forums of the world discussing his upcoming software and ideas. Anybody with a truly good idea about horse racing would not be sharing potentially profitable thoughts to strangers for no reward. But a nice try.
PJD. what exactly do you want to know about these horses? if youve got some questions ask them, as i doubt anyone will be bothered to write an essay on these horses in the vague hope they will cover what you are interested in.
Horny Harry
05-10-2002, 21:44
I started writing an essay but it wasnt much good and I threw it in the bin.
I will give you some idea when analyzing a horses ability. Rate them on the following aspects.
1. Conformation.
2. Breeding
3. Temperament
By analyzing those qualities I guess you should be able to give an indication of their potential.
Without analyzing those points in detail, there is no way one could or Should be able to give reliable comments on horses.
Has anyone ever written any decent analysis on horses in training in Hong Kong? Or are we just talking about Jockey suspensions, steward reports and betting turnover? The core of racing are the horses and I have not seen enough articles to write home about in this forum.
JPD.
1. Conformation.
2. Breeding
3. Temperament
By analyzing those qualities I guess you should be able to give an indication of their potential.
Not my area of expertize. And it doesnt bother me either as this is only important for young unraced horses which im happy to let race a few times before making a bet. The proof is in the racing, which is a far better guide to ability. IMHO.
Steppin Short
06-10-2002, 00:30
Conformation Have a look at Northerly and Bel Espris to name a couple. both were bought cheaply because of badly conformed front legs.
Breeding Phar Lap, Kingston Town, two more cheap buys lacking in royal blood
Temperament Sunline, now theres one you ould love to locked in a stall with, crankiest bitch that ever graced a racecourse.
All horses can gallop, just some a lot faster than others, and in all shapes and sizes.
My preferred method of finding a winner, wait, see how it performs, regardless of conformation,breeding and temperament.
based on your comments i bet you guys have never backed a winner over 10-1
Horny Harry
06-10-2002, 03:13
How would you manage to back horses over 10-1 based on confirmation, breeding and temprament? I would be most interested to find this out so I can start backing something a bit more profitable.
I have a system where I always just back the favourite or second favourite in a race...and I double up the bet if I lose. Then I am garanteed of getting ahaead at the end of the day.
How would you use breeding as part of a betting strategy?
you can definitely back a horse on breeding and confirmation, temperament is probably not such a big factor because it can be overcome. Also a horse's running style is important.
Basically a horse that has good confirmation (check out my great website for what to look for) will be a horse with class. Because he has that "look" that he's a winner. Breeding just backs that up. He has the external characteristics, good breeding will mean there is something inside to ensure he's good.
Why do you think certain stallions cost so much at stud? Because most of the time its almost guarenteed success e.g. sadler's wells.
Steppin Short
06-10-2002, 06:32
There are 4 "Good Types" racing at Sha Tin tomorrow all with good chances:
R3: Sugar & Spice
R6: New Planet
R7: Hidden Dragon (throw in Snippedydooda and Snippetyiyea for the Q & Tierce)
R9: Rebel Leader
Happy punting.
i hope you bet a fortune on breeding - the rest of us can then retire a little earlier!
Also a horse's running style is important - yes very!
[ October 06, 2002, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: Scarper ]
i hope you bet a fortune on breeding - the rest of us can then retire a little earlier!
I am not so sure about that. About three weeks ago a certain tipster tipped first time starter Brilliant Express to win a Class 3 1000m race based on its breeding. Brilliant Express did win and paid $781.50!
In general though my observation is that those who tip on breeding are quite erratic. If they do bet a fortune on their picks, most of them would probably have gone broke before they hit the 77/1 winner.
you would also lose a fortune if you just followed favourites for the rest of your life. especially in hk - graveyard for favourties.
like everything in racing, it's all about making the right decision...
cheesebeast
06-10-2002, 20:33
I'm using a similar set of criterion for finding winners in Wan Chai, I'm finding it difficult to line the three factors up, whenever I find a decent filly with great confirmation, it seems the temperament is often extremely erratic and volatile, breeding not so sure? Anyone help me here, come in Wendy.
Champion Boy should be romping home today. Anyone want to place a bet for me?
JPD
I'm using a similar set of criterion for finding winners in Wan Chai, I'm finding it difficult to line the three factors up, whenever I find a decent filly with great confirmation, it seems the temperament is often extremely erratic and volatile, breeding not so sure?
CB, could it be the case that the temperament of colts or even geldings may suit you better? :) :) :)
cheesebeast
12-10-2002, 20:56
No I think I'll stick with the fillies just for the moment thanks, Masun. :p
Your Ignorance on this topic is going to pay.
and your general ignorance is going to serve you well ?? un-bloody-likely.
I am glad that the betting public consists of simple people like you guys.
JPD you sound like the biggest loser in town!
the angry slut
29-10-2002, 21:32
There's one born every minute - they just don't die often enough.
Horny Harry
29-10-2002, 21:43
Hey this is more like it1 Nothing like a good bit of social banter before the Hor de'ouvres...
now how did JPD's tip go the other night? Got any specials for tomorrow night JPD?
RM: Oct 30th
Just In Time (Should place)
Planet Ruler (Safest Bet)
Solar Empire (Best Value)
Horny Harry
30-10-2002, 22:25
Harrys tip...
race 5 no 8 Zenedine
good luck JPD with your tips.
the mad mafoo
30-10-2002, 23:27
Planet Ruler is carrying all our pension fund tonight. But we gave Zinedine a big drink of milk this afternoon.
R1 > 5, 10
R3 > 9, 10, 11
R4 > 4, 11
R5 > 7, 4
R6 > 5, 7
R7 > 9, 10
R8 > 7, 6
There does that make you happier JPD??
Horny Harry
31-10-2002, 04:05
Gee some good tips there everyone..although JPD's 18-1 winner takes the prize I think.
Hobbes gets a special mention...some good placegetters there, even if most of them were short.
Zenedine is still licking his bowl out tonight.
PLanet ruler seemed to be the popular choice. :p
wanchai wendy
31-10-2002, 04:08
Some handy tips there alright. Once the track went mad for front-runners, I ended up throwing all the last week's BJ cash on Solar Empire myself. And then a little something on the last Q. It's an easy caper..
[ October 30, 2002, 10:09 PM: Message edited by: wanchai wendy ]
you a blackjack player as well WW?
normally hate the wet tracks but cleaned up big tonight. WW i hope you didn't reduce our dividends too much on the last. we must have gone off the 6 as got the PQ on the 8,10 combo as well as both 7's.
JPD you sound like the biggest loser in town!
RM: Oct 30th (JPD's ANSWER.)
Just In Time (Should place) <<3rd 10-1>>
Planet Ruler (Safest Bet) <<2nd 4-1>>
Solar Empire (Best Value) <<1st 19-1>>
So do you still think that I am the biggest loser in town?? I wonder how I should cash in my winnings tommorow? I might use SHADEY to back me up in case I get mugged.
Well, I mentioned all along how this forum lacked something which was worth noting in the long term if not forever. Well, I have contributed to this and could not have made it look better thanks to some of you guys.
I will never forget how much I made some of you look like complete fools. Thanks for the fun and hope that some of you guys grow up and learn to use your own initiative.
Regards,
JPD.
wanchai wendy
31-10-2002, 05:36
Don't you just love a gracious winner. You sound like a complete moron JPD.
Well done there Hobbes. Quite sure my modest staking wouldn't have caused any ripples, but it will keep me off the streets for a while. Can finally afford that face lift I desperately need.
Horny Harry
31-10-2002, 12:18
Well, I mentioned all along how this forum lacked something which was worth noting in the long term if not forever. Well, I have contributed to this and could not have made it look better thanks to some of you guys.
Im not sure how the others contributed to your success, but Im sure that you would like to thank then JPD for making you look "good".
Im not sure, though, that anyone has learnt anything off you so far that they didnt already know. By the sounds of things a couple of the others dont need anyones help...but I sure do!
Tipping well is one thing but your thought processes leading into the nights meeting were not fully explained sufficiently for me to get any long term and lasting benefits from your input.
I would like to know exactly why you thought the big winner in race 6 had the credentials to perform so well at such a big price. If you let me know then I may be able to reduce my losses on the Happy Valley track.
The others may care to comment and add something after we discover what your methods are.
Horny Harry
31-10-2002, 12:43
JPD afte race 6
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Hobbes and Wan Cai Wendy after the last... :D
[ October 31, 2002, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: Horny Harry ]
ROTFLMFAO :cool: :rolleyes: :p :D :)
PS --- cleaned up on R6 also but didn't realise solar empire was in that race.
[ October 31, 2002, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: hobbes ]
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