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Steppin Short
29-03-2002, 07:56
Dyes ride on Orlando Flyer deserved a BIG Enquiry, but what happened?....NOTHING...
Double Standards?
IF any other jock would have done what he did within the shadows of the post, they would have got 4 months.
It cost one punter the triple trio, plus how many other tierces.
If you get a chance to see the head on, he had at least a horse and a half room, and checked out of it, when only a half length of the horse. First lesson in riding when getting "tight" is to kick up and hold ground. Dyes mount was travelling and gaining, he had ample room. One must question his fortitude!!!
Maybe Mr Dye forgot to take his valium before he went up the rails.....which is a rarety for him....
Think back a few weeks to the De Integro debacle, Where is the consistancy with the stewarding???
rubbintug
29-03-2002, 13:30
Apparently this has caused huge debate in the local press (perhaps M(N)asun can enlighten us?).
Me thinks that Dye lacked fortitude (as you say).
Not for one moment, and nor do I still think that he was dead.
He was simply a Wus! And should have been fined!
Indeed the incident has caused a huge outcry against the JC again. Apple Daily has been lambasting Schreck for two consecutive days. In today's paper, the paper headlined one of its articles "Schreck continues to play with fire". In another ariticle, the paper queries if "Dye has privileges?"
According to the racing report, "S Dye said however the steady was a precautionary one, it was close to the line, but with the benefit of hindsight and with the knowledge that K H Ting did shift out when he appealed, he would have been able to continue riding ORLANDO FLYER to the line."
Personally I don't think Schreck or other stewards have been showing favoritism towards Australian jockeys and that the JC is genuinely concerned with the safety issue. However, I do question whether it has gone too far. The fact of the matter is this type of situations near the post is very common. What will the JC do if jockeys start using precautionary riding as an excuse whenever questioned?
Shane does think he is God and it is Easter so possible he is looking to be chastised and crucified.
His nickname in Australia was Fig Jam.(Fuck I'm Good Just Ask Me) :D
Masun - any chance of posting some of the Chinese press reports today?
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Haven't got yesterday's papers so I'll translate the two Apple Daily articles I mentioned.
Schreck Continues to Play with Fire
By Ko Ming (Apple Daily Racing Columnist)
Don't know if Chief Stipe Shreck isn't content with a quiet life or what, as the De Integro incident is dying down, he caused yet another Orlando Flyer incident two nights ago. Anyone could see that Dye pulled Orlando Flyer's head way up. However, the after-race enquiry was hastily dealt with and Dye's explanation accepted.
Shouldn't the Jockey Club study if the Schreck-led panel has too much power? Or get someone to oversee them? Frankly, EB hasn't said much about the affair. The less he says, the less likely it is that he makes any mistakes. Moreover Dye was exonerated by the Shreck-led group. If I were EB, I would have done the same thing to avoid being responsible of such unnecessary foul-ups.
As to the key man Shreck, according to the journos, he was in a jovial mood when he stepped out of the enquiry room. He even said to the press: "OK. No problem?" Ko Ming wants to ask Shreck if he has ever wondered how the punters who had their money on Orlando Flyer felt about this. Orlando Flyer was pulled for 50m and finished 4th losing a short head to Millennium Spirit. There was no fine, no warning. Such a Chief Stipe. You can pick any punter at the racetrack at random and he would have done a better job. Ko Ming has learnt that the Jockey Club has not yet renewed Schreck's contract. Should the contract be renewed? I believe many punters have the same answer in their heart.
Dye Has Privileges?
Having read the race report, how do you feel? Reward did indeed shift in, but there was still some room between Orlando Flyer and the horse. Moreover, there was still some room inside Orlando Flyer. In other words, even if Reward had continued to shift in, Orlando Flyer would still have room to travel. At most the horses might have bumped each other, there was no need for Dye to stick his ass up to steady the horse. The strange thing is Dye said the steady was a precautionary one. He even said that with the benefit of hindsight he would have been able to continue riding Orlando Flyer to the line! Dye admitted an error of judgment. But is it the case that by simply saying "a precaution, an error of judgment", a jockey can then steady a horse at will so near to the post?
The racing panel is charged with the responsibility of maintaining the fairness of racing and to protect the interests of punters. Now it seems that protecting jockeys is of a higher priority, to the detriment of racing in Hong Kong as a whole (including owners and punters). For, a jockey can stop riding at any time and blame it on an error of judgment; or be disqualified for not giving up its piece of the track to another horse! I want to ask how can the punters have any confidence in their betting?
According to past cases, many jockeys have been warned or fined for stopping their riding prematurely even on horses without any chance of winning. If the jockey involved in this incident were Chinese or South African, he would probably have been punished already. Now, after Splendid Bo Bo, Dye has given us another eye opener. Is it the case that he has privileges?
[ March 29, 2002: Message edited by: masun ]
many thx for the translation masun.
fig jam - now that's a beauty. from what i read here he should have been penalised but is not fig jam famous for escaping all sorts of unsavoury situations like this?
Hello to all.
Shane Dye's baby boy Jack Raymond was born yesterday afternoon. Maybe this is the reason why Shane dare not to take any chance before this big moment for him.
very droll victor. ;) ;) ;)
Many thanks, Masun.
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Bit harsh on RS - he was on his way over the fence. Blame him for not believing a Chinese rider would listen to his yelling and staighten up and then not roll back in again. Little doubt he was relieved to get out of it in one piece.
Ting didn't even get reprimanded - should have got 3 months for letting that horse roll around like a drunken sailor -- fn bushranger.
An article which appears in today's Apple Daily by ex-apprentice turned racing journo Wong Yeuk-shun.
Blame It On Dye's Over-Cautiousness
In recent days many punters have expressed deep dissatisfaction with the way Dye handled Orlando Flyer near to the post. After a previous incident involving Splendid Bo Bo, it is easy to understand the punters' antipathy towards Dye. From a punter's point of view, witnessing his horse being forcibly checked near the post and thereby losing a place, it is an unacceptable eyesore. But from a jockey's point of view, such reaction in the face of an unexpected event is excusable.
Let's first look at the Splendid Bo Bo incident. When Dye was hard at work going full speed towards the post, the horse suddenly hung in. From the head on, the incident was not a slight one. In this flash of a moment, the jockey could not have looked around to see if there was any horse nearby before deciding what to do. Subconsciously all he would do was to straighten his mount immediately. The situation is akin to braking before a car crashes. A driver's instinct is to swerve and brake. It was by pure coincidence that this happened before the finish line and hence the embarrassing situation.
As to Orlando Flyer, Dye checked the horse near to the post while still having sufficient room to travel. From my point of view, it was somewhat an over-reaction. But the punters must understand that ex-Sydney Champion Dye is already rich and famous. Seeing the mounts of two anonymous nobodies shifting in, would he risk his life? Since his horse could not have won anyway, to be on the safe side, it is excusable to check the horse to ensure one's safety and avoid any possible fall. Of course this writer still remembers the teaching of his ex-mentor, that a jockey cannot be a coward like a sissy, or else he should pack his bag and find another job!
seems like a fairly balanced POV from YS Wong, p'raps even slightly slanted towards Fig Jam. if he has written the piece himself i am impressed with his writing skills as well as his kindly assessment of the incident. ;) ;) ;)
corkey boy
01-04-2002, 22:48
Good work Masun and thank you for the translation. May I ask if you are aware of any Chinese article written about the incident which bothered to ask the trainer and owner(s) what they thought of the ride ??
Also, your insights into the Chinese side of HK racing are very much welcome. You mentioned previously that Y O Wong and P C Kan are on "friendly" terms and will not compete against each other if they can help it. Are there other such relationships happening ?
I recall a race at HV where Doleuze on Easy King (D Cruz) gave up the lead quite noticably to Super Fast (A Cruz) who went on the win easily. Perhaps being brothers made this eg a little too obvious ??
Thanks again
I can't recall reading any interview of the trainers and owners.
As to who is friendly with whom, I don't really pay much attention to this sort of things. Not that I don't believe such alliances don't exist, it's just that the alliances are likely to be constantly in flux and as outsiders, there's no way for us to figure out what's really happening. A lot of the so called inside info we get is just second hand gossip read in the papers. For example, I've read that Allan and Hayes, Moore and Fownes are friendly with one another, etc. Well, we can argue that Fownes is friendly with everybody because he has had hardly any wins over the past 3 months.
As for the Cruz brothers, isn't it amazing that last Saturday they didn't manage to have one single horse placed. Quite a difference from Jan 20 when the winners of the day were trained by:
R2 D Cruz
R3 T Cruz
R4 D Cruz
R5 T Cruz
R6 D Cruz
R9 D Cruz
I believe it was pure coincidence. But then I also believe in telepathy, ESP and that George Bush is an alien.
what price can i get on winning the premiership/. got a new carpet muncher to take care of so can't get across the water for some blackjack and in desperate need of some action.
trusting someone can help me out.
simple simon
08-04-2002, 23:27
Shane's a champion. But still enuff meetings left for me to give yous all a run for your muny !
[ April 08, 2002: Message edited by: simple simon ]
Monty Burns
02-05-2002, 04:22
Shane's title bid copped a setback today, banned for three meetings after knocking one down in the ninth.
He stays on 55 wins.
Marwing bagged 4 to get to 53 and get within 4 of the leader (D Whyte).
cheesebeast
04-04-2004, 13:16
Raymond Shane Dye has been one of the leading riders in Australia and New Zealand for several years before pitting his skills against the world's best in Hong Kong in recent times where he has firmly established himself at the top of the rider's Premiership. This story on Shane appeared in the June 1996 edition of Turf Monthly.
The Greatest Kiwi Ever?
Shane Dye, in an astonishingly brief 11 year career in Aus-tralian Racing, has re-written the record book.
On March 23, 1996, Shane booted home his 190th metro-politan black-type winner in Australia.
http://www.aapracingandsports.com.au/photos/jrsdye1.jpg
The success of Darbaas in the Listed STC Sky High Stakes took Dye past Jim Cassidy's previous best by a New Zealand jockey on this side of the Tasman.
Shane Dye, at just 29, is the most successful Kiwi to ever ride at our major Carnivals.
Shane has eclipsed the riding records of Jim Cassidy, Maurice McCarten, Gary Willetts, Brent Thomson, 'Midge' Didham, Brian York, Bruce Compton, Brian Andrews, Ashley and Roy Reed, Keith Voitre and the many other Kiwis who have tested their skills on the Australian Turf.
On the overall list of leading stakes winning riders, Shane Dye is now seventh, and within reach of a rare milestone of 200 Group and Listed race winners on city tracks.
Of his imposing record of major winners to date, Doriemus, in the 1996 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes, gave Dye his 47th Group One success.
http://www.aapracingandsports.com.au/photos/dye.jpg
The only EnZeddars to still rank above Dye in the Group One races are Maurice McCarten, with 55 successes, and Jim Cassidy, with 50.
Like Shane Dye, who has won 16 Group One two-year-old races, Maurice McCarten had a great affinity with young horses, winning the AJC Sires' Produce Stakes six times and the VRC Sires' Produce Stakes on three occasions. McCarten also won the OTC Sires' Produce Stakes and three AJC Champagne Stakes.
These were the only Group One two-year-old races available for McCarten to compete in. He retired in 1942, well before the advent of the STC Golden Slipper Stakes (1957), VATC Blue Dia-mond Stakes (1971) and QTC Castlemaine Stakes (1976).
McCarten was also an outstanding rider of classic horses in the three-year-old races. His successes include four AJC Derbys and two Victoria Derbys, as well as the VRC Oaks, three Caulfield Guineas, three Rosehill Guineas and the Canterbury Guineas.
McCarten won the NZ Jockeys' Premiership twice before moving to Australia. He first crossed the Tasman in 1923 but did not settle in Sydney until August, 1926, at the age of 24. He rode here for 16 years, won 128 stakes races, and was the leading jockey in Sydney in the 1938-39 season when he rode 88 winners.
Shane Dye, who also won the Sydney Jockeys' Premiership - as did Cassidy - has now won 12 Group One three-year-old races. McCarten won 14. Jim Cassidy however, is the most successful, winning 20 in races for that age group.
Jim Cassidy, 33, is disqualified until 1998 after the 'Jockeys' Tapes' scandal exploded onto the front pages in April, 1995.
Cassidy's three-year-old successes have come with two wins each in the AJC, Victoria, and Queensland Derbys, as well as the SA Oaks, Caulfield Guineas, two VATC 1000 Guineas, the Rosehill, Can-terbury and Australian Guineas. AJC Spring Champion Stakes, two STC Storm Queen Stakes, and four winners of the VRC Oaks.
Cassidy, had he not become involved in his recent scrap with officialdom, would have made a great contest of it with Shane Dye in the stakes races.
Cassidy and Dye have been at it blow for blow since landing here in the mid-1980's.
With Cassidy sitting it out under disqualification, it took Dye 12 months to overtake his rival although 'Jimbo' did set-up camp here 12 months earlier than Shane.
Jim Cassidy rode his first Australian Group winner in 1981 landing the QTC PJ O'Shea Stakes aboard Four Crowns in Brisbane. He came here to ride perma-nently, for Brian Mayfield-Smith's 'Nebo Lodge' team, in May, 1984.
Shane Dye arrived in Sydney just over 12 months later, in June, 1985, also basing himself at Rosehill, with the Brian Smith stable.
Dye and Cassidy have been two extraordinary New Zealand jockeys. Both are gifted horsemen, volatile, and with an almost arrogant belief in their own ability. Having them land here so close together is a remarkable co-incidence.
Cassidy's current disqualification is his second lengthy term on the 'outer'. In 1988, he was disqualified for 12 months over his handling of a horse called Cruising at Rosehill.
Dye has also had his ups-and-downs. The biggest setback came for the jockey when he was disqualified for six months on a charge of 'team-riding' in the 1987 AJC Derby.
Dye, on Imprimatur, allowed the stablemate Myocard to come through on his inside to win the race.
Both jockeys have a 'rubber ball' mentality, they keep bouncing back no matter what the adversity.
Jim Cassidy, as he will tell you, will be back at the top of his profession just as soon as he gets his licence back.
Shane Dye is already there, and that's where he intends staying.
SHANE DYE'S 47 CROUP ONE WINS
(To April, 1996)
VRC MELBOURNE CUP - Tawrrific (1989)
QTC BRISBANE CUP - Shuzohra (1990)
VATC SHOW DAY CUP - Potrero (1989)
AJC DONCASTER H'CAP - Magic Flute (1987); Lygon Arms (1988)
BTC DOOMBEN '10,000' - Potrero (1989)
AJC THE GALAXY - Sublimate (1993)
VRC VICTORIA DERBY - Nothin' Leica Dane (1995)
QTC QUEENSLAND DERBY - Dorset Downs (1991); Air Seattle (1993)
VRC OAKS - Slight Chance (1992); Arborea (1993)
QTC QUEENSLAND OAKS - Slight Chance (1993)
SAJC SA OAKS - Lee's Bid (1991)
VATC 1000 GUINEAS - Arborea (1993)
AJC SPRING CHAMPION STAKES - Nothin' Leica Dane (1995)
STC ROSEHILL GUINEAS - Star of Maple (1994)
AJC FLIGHT STAKES -A Little Kiss (1989)
STC STORM QUEEN STAKES-Slight Chance (1993)
STC GOLDEN SLIPPER STAKES - Courtza (1989); Canny Lad (1990); Tierce (1991); Burst (1992)
VATC BLUE DIAMOND STAKES - Courtza (1989)
AJC SIRES' PRODUCE STAKES - Rhythmic Charm (1990); Tierce (1991); Burst (1992); Merlene (1996)
AJC CHAMPAGNE STAKES - Tierce (1991); Burst (1992); March Hare (1993); Isolda (1995)
QTC SIRES' PRODUCE STAKES - Slight Chance (1992)
QTC CASTLEMAINE STAKES -Zinders (1991); Slight Chance (1992)
MVRC WS COX PLATE - Octagonal (1995)
STC BMW-TANCRED STAKES - Dr Grace (1991); Stony Bay (1995)
STC RANVET-RAWSON STAKES -Electronic (1996)
STC GEORGE RYDER STAKES - Telesto (1994)
BTC DOOMBEN CUP - Danewin (1995)
AJC GEORGE MAIN STAKES - Ma Chicquita (1986); Gennaker (1988)
AJC QUEEN ELIZABETH STAKES - Doriemus (1996)
VATC UNDERWOOD STAKES - Dr Grace (1991)
VRC LKS MACKINNON STAKES - Veandercross (1992)
STC ORLANDO WINES CLASSIC - Happy Sailing (1990)
http://www.aapracingandsports.com.au/racing/racingfeatures.asp?f=featurearticles-shanedye04
Following translation of an article which appears in today's Apple Daily.
Jamie Stier Scared of Shane Dye
Ko Ming
The senior officials of the JC have always said they treat everyone equally. However Ko Ming thinks that they have been lying, especially Chief Stipe Stier, whose favouritism towards his half compatriot Dye is there for all to see. Stier has been led by the nose by Dye for a long time, and this so-called Chief Stipe dares not even utter a word!
In the last race meeting, Dye was suspended for three days over his riding of Bountiful. Dye then claimed that he would not have any ride tomorrow night and asked to be suspended immediately. Stier accepted Dye's request meekly and dared not go against his will. On the other hand, when a similar situation arose earlier with Simon Yim, Stier applied the rules strictly and denied Yim's request. Everybody knows that Dye rides Size's horses. Tomorrow, three of Size's horses will be running, and Dye dared to claim that he would not have any rides, and Stier believed Dye's every words. So either there is something wrong with Stier's judgment, or he is not being fair at all.
As the Chief Stipe, Stier's role is like that of the Chief Justice. Dye has been in the Inquiry Room over 50 times this season, and every time he walked out scot-free. Even though EB said that the reason Dye hadn't been found guilty was that he was good at defending himself, it doesn't mean that he wasn't guilty. Have you ever heard of a murderer confessing in court that he committed a murder?
The JC always says that it needs to salvage the turnover. Let's put aside the question of race results and just talk about the phoniness of the supervision. If Stier continues to act this way, finally it's the JC itself which has to bear the dire consequences.
cheesebeast
13-04-2004, 18:55
Thanks for the translation Masun - seems those leading the witch hunt will be happy now.
In today's Apple Daily, there's an interview with EB. The article is mostly about EB explaining why the government should lower the betting duty. In the article, the Apple Daily journo also claimed that the paper has received many faxes supporting Ko Ming's point of view that the JC is partial to Shane Dye. The punters complain that whenever there's Dye, it's diffcult to take a punt. Since it's difficult to take a punt, might as well not punt at all. So this whole issue of fall in racing turnover is tied to Dye! EB replied that the JC is aware of the accusation that it's not being impartial and is paying extra attention to the situation.
Btw, while Dye is usually thought of as the bad guy, Coetzee is usually regarded as the good guy. Coetzee's performance is widely regarded to be more consistent. No doubt Coetzee's multiple wins aboard Silent Witness and Lucky Owners have not hurt his reputation.
By Dickie Rock
Wednesday, 21 April 2004
Shane Dye insists he is still the worst jockey in the world after Darren Beadman’s below-par ride on Lonhro in Saturday’s Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Randwick last Saturday.
Speaking exclusively to “The Bladder” from Hong Kong, Dye refuted any suggestion that Darren Beadman may have lost his touch. “He rode hands and heels all the way, he waited for what he thought was the right time to bring out the persuader and he still managed to get Lonhro in the frame for second”, said Dye.
“My ride on Veandercross in that Caulfield Cup was special because I just murdered him from the orf. I left absolutely no doubt in anyone’s mind when I settled The Big V stone motherless last and so wide, we could’ve dropped into the Members Bar at Caulfield for a quick pot. With Darren’s ride on Saturday, however, he kept punters, racego-ers and commentators guessing until at least the last half furlong. That's just not good enough”.
Darren Beadman could not be contacted for comment, but a source close to “Beads” confirmed to The Bladder that Darren was devastated by the scrutiny of his ride on the champion horse and rejected any suggestion of impropriety. Our source described Beadman’s mental state as “fragile”. “For f—k’s sake, don’t go comparing him to Shane Dye… that could be the push over the edge we don’t need”, said the source.
www.thebladder.com
can anyone hazard a guess why Dye is riding Bowmans Crossing and not River Dancer in the QE2???
Maybe the owners want to have a bet on the former?:D
is that bet a back or a lay?:D :D
cheesebeast
25-04-2004, 23:02
Bloody good question tosser - I'm tipping he's spewing tonight! :mad: :mad: :mad:
river dancer has a high head carriage when it runs, and it's better to use a jockey that gets his head down and force him to run. south african jockeys do that best pushing down on the neck with it's forearm. i think john size sees that, he's put a lot of S.A. jocks on river dancer to try and get the best out of him.
still it's a bit of a shock to see him win :p
thx shadey - gee that info could have come in handy BEFORE the race :p
I thought Shane Dye was being favoured by the Stipes - after viewing the Best Ever race its simply not true .
cheesebeast
14-05-2004, 12:50
Maybe they are feeling the pressure from the chinese media JB and were trying to balance the ledger - a poor decision anyway in my opinion.
I`m no fan of Shrecks but since he left the consistancy went out the window.
Handy Harry
17-05-2004, 13:31
From: یladey¢¾ (Original Message) Sent: 16/05/2004 6:50 p.m.
Saturday, 15 May 2004: Champion jockey Shane Dye has been warned that he may be reduced to a restricted visiting riding licence in Hong Kong due to his relationship with the John Size stable.
The Hong Kong Jockey Club has placed Dye and South Africa's Felix Coetzee on notice that they may receive only limited stints in Hong Kong next season instead of automatic full season club jockey contracts.
Dye is riding in Hong Kong as a subsidised club jockey but is commonly regarded as the full-time stable jockey for Size. Coetzee is also a club jockey but is the acknowledged stable rider for Tony Cruz.
HKJC racing director Winfried Englebrecht-Bresges has alerted Dye and Coetzee but said the HKJC had decided not to impose a restriction on the number of rides a club jockey may have per meeting for an individual trainer.
"We had a look at the contract governing them and it states that they must be available to ride trackwork and races for different trainers," Engelbrecht-Bresges told the South China Morning Post.
"With that in mind, we plan to sit down with Shane Dye and John Size and with Felix Coetzee and Tony Cruz, examine their statistics and ask them what their plans are for next season.
"If we feel that their intentions are not within the spirit of the club jockey contract, then management will have to consider whether we are comfortable in recommending Dye and Coetzee to be licenced as club jockeys."
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Re-reading Vol. 15 in "The Invincible God of Horse Racing" series, I came across following story. I wonder how much truth there is:
The country is New Zealand. The time is the 60's/70's. There are two brothers who are keen students of the racing game. Everybody calls them the Watson Brothers. After a lot of hard work, the Watson Brothers discover one of the most important secrets racing: the track bias. Using their knowledge of track bias, the Watson Brothers win a fortune, bankrupting a few bookies in the process. As they grow old, the Watson Brothers delegate their work to two employees, the Thin Guy and the Fat Guy. The Thin and Fat Duo are also successful punters, so much so that they end up being owners of many racehorses. One of the duo's favourite jockey is a young apprentice. At first the young apprentice doesn't like the duo much because they give him strange riding instructions. However, after winning race after race again following their instructions, the young apprentice comes to admire these two gentlemen. Eventually the duo shares the Watsons' secrets with the young lad. Armed with these secrets, the jockey goes on to conquer the racing world in New Zealand, Australia and...Hong Kong. The jockey? Shane Dye.
The story is followed by several illustrations of Dye's brilliant understanding of the track bias.
No doubt Dye is a very good jockey. What I am curious to know is how much truth there's to the story -- the author Ma Koon Mei has a habit of mixing fact with fiction. As far as I know, US author Steve Davidowitz is credited with introducing the concept of track bias, not the mysterious Watson Brothers.
Handy Harry
20-05-2004, 18:22
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
Seabiscuit
20-05-2004, 19:14
Steve Davidowitz might have been the first guy to mention track bias in a book. But that is not to say he discovered the concept of "track bias". Others possibly knew of the concept before or at the same time as Davidowitz but never published their thoughts.
Andy Beyer (who was also one of the first to mention track bias in a book in Picking Winners) makes clear in his book that his speed figure methodology is nothing new but that there had been speed handicappers in the USA for years before he wrote his first book. He just said he was one of the first to write about speed figures as he was a writer. (Although later on he did seem to regret publishing his approach as the odds on the selections dropped).
Doesn't Beyer get some sort of fee from, say DRF, for suppling them his speed ratings?
Given the small pools in the US, I guess it's not easy to win a lot of money by playing the horses. So a steady source of income doesn't seem to be such a bad thing.
Seabiscuit
20-05-2004, 20:37
Yes I would guess that Beyer would get paid quite a nice fee by DRF. But as they say, a dollar won is twice as sweet as a dollar earned.
cheesebeast
29-05-2004, 14:42
Dye was not available for comment yesterday. He was busy being married to his partner of six years, Emma-Kate Sullivan, the mother of his two-year-old son Jack, at an unknown location.
Congrats....
Handy Harry
31-05-2004, 09:02
‘I still want Hong Kong to be my home and next season I’ll be back, riding as many winners as I possibly can’
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Shane Dye:disappointed
Murray Bell
Shane Dye yesterday expressed his disappointment at having his club jockey licence downgraded for next season and defended his eminent riding record, but refused to criticise the Hong Kong Jockey Club's decision-making process.
The extroverted New Zealander was married on Friday to his partner of six years, Emma-Kate Sullivan, and the Jockey Club's announcement that he would be licensed until December 12, instead of a full year, was not the kind of wedding gift he'd anticipated.
"I am very disappointed with the decision, especially with the record I've built up in my four seasons in Hong Kong," Dye began.
"Firstly, from the security angle, my record is clean. And secondly, considering the high number of winners I've ridden consistently over those four seasons, finishing second on the jockeys' premiership for the last three seasons."
However, Dye refused to comment on the statement by Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges, the Jockey Club's executive director of racing, that persistent, negative feedback from the betting public had been a factor.
"I've always been one to look ahead, rather than back," Dye said. "When anything happens to you like this, the only way to respond to it is with performance.
"I will be back in Hong Kong early, before the start of next season, and working hard, riding as much trackwork as possible and for a greater number of trainers. And I'll be aiming to ride as many winners as before, if not more.
"And then I hope the club will extend my licence, as it has done with Craig Williams this season."
Engelbrecht-Bresges said customer surveys have shown a high rate of dissatisfaction with Dye's performance as a jockey, and that punters have complained about an alleged lack of consistency.
"In addition to the club jockey/retained jockey situation, which we have discussed with Shane Dye and John Size, there is also a question of negative customer feedback on Dye," Engelbrecht-Bresges said.
"There is criticism of him on performance issues in general and he is perceived as inconsistent. I want to point out that we are not responding to the negative comments Dye has attracted in some sections of the press - this is a reaction to criticism from our customers."
Dye, 37, was New Zealand's record-breaking apprentice jockey and moved to Sydney in 1985 in order to further his career. He has ridden 91 Group One winners in Australia, making him third on the all-time list behind George Moore (117) and Roy Higgins (108).
His feature race wins include four successive victories (1989-92) in the world's richest juvenile race, the Golden Slipper Stakes, on Courtza, Canny Lad, Tierce and Burst. He also won the Melbourne Cup (1989, Tawrrific) and the Cox Plate (1995, Octagonal).
In four seasons in Hong Kong, Dye has won 248 races and has outscored every jockey bar Douglas Whyte for three straight years. He was also the regular jockey of 2003 Horse of the Year Grand Delight.
"What people forget is that I gave up more than any other jockey here to come to Hong Kong," Dye continued. "In Australia, I was riding for the top trainers and had virtually first pick from the leading trainer, Gai Waterhouse.
"I was riding the best horses in all the best races and had a very, very good lifestyle in Sydney. I gave all that up to come to Hong Kong, with a commitment to make this my home and to make it work. I still want Hong Kong to be my home and next season I'll be back, riding as many winners as I possibly can, and hopefully a continuation of my licence won't be an issue."
http://racing.scmp.com/english/free/news/news30052004b.asp
cheesebeast
03-06-2004, 17:50
Courtesy SCMP
ON THE RAILS
Dye is cast in a misleading light
MURRAY BELL
Last week's public disclosure by the Jockey Club that negative feedback from customer surveys had been a factor in the downgrading of Shane Dye's licence was one of the more extraordinary stories to emerge from the annual end-of-season licensing announcements.
In any year, licensing for the next season is always a good story. But this was a ripper, though exactly what the Jockey Club has gained from its version of the story behind Dye's relegation is hard to fathom.
Firstly, the precedent is a dangerous one. When the hard-working suburban mums and dads, who give racing a few hours per week of leisure-time attention, start to become a factor in who gets licensed in the world's most prestigious racing jurisdiction, we surely have to ask whether the customer-care policies of HKJC chief executive Lawrence Wong Chi-kong may have been taken a little too far.
When the Jockey Club, which has declared itself to have been annoyed at the shallowness and inaccuracy of the local media commentaries on Dye, then comes out and uses the views of readers of this same negative commentary against the jockey at licensing time seems quite extraordinary.
Secondly, the case against Dye is tenuous at best. He was labelled as "inconsistent" yet each year rides more winners than any jockey in Hong Kong, apart from champion Douglas Whyte. Premier trainer John Size keeps using Dye because of his reliability and consistency, not to mention his regular flashes of genius.
Over the past three seasons, Dye has ridden 204 winners from 1,537 rides, a winning strike rate of 13.3 per cent. For punters, being the bottom-line conscious creatures they are, a $10 investment on every one of Dye's mounts over that time would have provided a profit of $929.
Since South African Whyte is the one who sets the standards by which all others are judged, his three-season tally is worth recording. He has won 260 of his 1,699 rides during that time, giving him a superb strike rate of 15.3 per cent but no profitability for followers. In fact, a flat $10 stake on every Whyte ride adds up to a loss of $4,851 - an average loss of $1,617 per season.
Now that's no fault of Whyte's, just a sign that his well-deserved reputation as a winner has seen his mounts seriously over-bet.
In an echo of the discredited media criticism, the surveyed punters complained that Dye's riding is a deterrent to punter confidence. Where's the evidence of this?
The only barometer for punter confidence is the tote, and meeting after meeting we see Dye's rides going out at prices shorter than they should theoretically be - direct and unarguable evidence of punter confidence. Just last Wednesday at Sha Tin, Bumper Bumper was a nice $30 chance in theory but punters hammered him (and Dye) into $20 before he saluted.
There are quite a few jockeys who do not carry the confidence of punters, and big tote prices usually reflect it accurately. Shane Dye isn't one of them. Love him or hate him, Dye is a winner.
more to come on raymond shane dye
rubbintug
05-06-2004, 23:06
some news about to break (not horse related tho?)
Cable news reports that Dye has been arrested for beating his wife. Dye's wife called the police in the morning to report that she was hit during a dispute over money. Dye has been released on a $500 bail.
Champion jockey Shane Dye has been arrested by Hong Kong police on suspicion of beating up his wife, eight days after the couple's wedding.
The Melbourne Cup-winning jockey was being quizzed on suspicion of assault occasioning actual bodily harm after police were called to the home he shares with his Australian wife Emma Sullivan.
The 38-year-old is the second most successful jockey in Australian racing history with 94 Group One winners.
Emma Sullivan, 26, who tied the knot with Dye on May 28, was treated for injuries at Hong Kong's Prince of Wales Hospital before later being discharged. The nature of her injuries were not released.
Dye's arrest comes as his successful racing career in Hong Kong hangs in the balance.
Late last month, the Hong Kong Jockey Club took the unprecedented step of downgrading his licence for next season following surveys which showed widespread public dissatisfaction with his riding.
"There is criticism of him on performance issues in general and he is perceived as inconsistent," said Jockey Club executive director Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges.
The racing body's decision means Dye will only be allowed to race for three months next year in Hong Kong, where he has amassed 248 winners since moving to the territory.
Previously Dye had acquired superstar status in Australia during a glittering career which saw him notch victories in the Melbourne Cup and the prestigious Cox Plate as well as the Golden Slipper.
But while his win on Tawriffic to claim the 1989 Melbourne Cup was a high point, Dye was perhaps best known for his performance in the Caulfield Cup in 1992, which saw him beaten on heavy favourite Veandercross.
Dye's poor ride in the race was partly responsible for his love-hate relationship with Australian racing fans.
--AFP
Will the JC allow him to ride today ?
Dunno...would he want to? Cant imagine he would get a v good reception.
Poor bugger , those HK jails are no fun.
Maybe she didnt sign the pre nup.
Maybe he'll be sitting higher than ever off the saddle today if his cellmate took a hand in things.
The Hong Kong Stewards have confirmed this morning that no charges have been laid and Dye has been released. They will decide later on this morning if Dye can ride at the Sha Tin meeting this afternoon.
By: Racenet - Sunday, 6 June 2004
no wories mates -- was just giving her a love tickle. :cool:
cheesebeast
06-06-2004, 11:03
No announcement as yet - you'd have to think he will be riding today?
cheesebeast
06-06-2004, 13:22
Well done Shane gets a winner in R2 Ahead Ahead. :D
Just so everyone's clear - he has been charged. Nobody has to post bail if they are not charged.
Arrest fails to rein in Dye's winning ways
MURRAY BELL
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Shane Dye: a good day at the races
After spending the greater part of Saturday under arrest at Sha Tin police station, it was business as usual for jockey Shane Dye at the track yesterday when he landed a winning double for the John Size stable.
Dye, 37, led throughout on Ahead A Head to win the second race on the all-weather dirt track and followed a near-identical script to land the fourth race on Dr Well.
The flamboyant New Zealander was happy to discuss horse-racing matters but had a terse no comment to offer on any questions about the charges laid by police of allegedly beating his new wife, 26-year-old Emma-Kate Sullivan, on Saturday morning.
Ms Sullivan was admitted to Prince of Wales Hospital with marks to her face, neck and hands but was allowed to leave after treatment. Dye was released on $500 bail but must report to police again on June 23.
Hong Kong Jockey Club executive director of racing Winfried Engelbrecht-Bresges was circumspect about the episode.
"As we said yesterday, this is now a police matter and we cannot offer any comment at this stage," Mr Engelbrecht-Bresges said.
"But whether the charges are found to be sustained or not, the licensing committee will still be looking at this development before deciding on the appropriate action to be taken."
Just 10 days ago, Dye's licence for next season was downgraded from a full year to 3-1/2 months and will expire at the conclusion of the December 12 meeting.
There was no sign of Ms Sullivan at yesterday's race meeting and Dye left the course alone.
SCMP
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Originally posted by imaufo
Dunno...would he want to? Cant imagine he would get a v good reception.
Apparently Dye got a lot of applause yesterday. Not sure whether it was for his wins or what he did!
cheesebeast
07-06-2004, 12:07
Originally posted by boner
Just so everyone's clear - he has been charged. Nobody has to post bail if they are not charged.
Hong Kong's second-ranking jockey was released on bail of $A93 on Saturday night without charges being laid, on condition he report back to police on June 23.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/06/1086460172680.html?oneclick=true
cheesebeast
07-06-2004, 16:39
Dye arrested 8 days after wedding
Adrian Dunn
07jun04
CHAMPION jockey Shane Dye has been arrested in Hong Kong for allegedly assaulting his wife Emma-Kate just eight days after they married.
Dye was arrested at the couple's apartment on Saturday and interviewed by police for about six hours before being released on bail of about $90.
The 38-year-old jockey was not charged over the incident, but must report to police on June 23.
Emma-Kate, 26, was treated for injuries at Hong Kong's Prince of Wales Hospital, but discharged herself.
Sources told the Herald Sun that red marks were noticeable on her face, neck and hands.
Emma-Kate, from Melbourne, went to the police station, but it is believed she did not submit a witness report or make a formal statement.
Dye, who won the 1989 Melbourne Cup on Tawrrific, married Emma-Kate after a six-year relationship. They have a two-year-old son Jack.
The alleged assault came just 10 days after the Hong Kong Jockey Club cut his new licence from one year to six months and criticised him as inconsistent.
He rode at Sha Tin racetrack yesterday after chief steward Jamie Stier established that Dye had not been charged.
"This is a domestic issue -- it's something between Dye and his wife," he said.
Police and ambulance crews were sent to Dye's apartment after receiving a call from a friend of Emma-Kate's.
It's understood an argument initially erupted at a home of a friend of Emma-Kate's, then continued when the couple returned to their apartment.
Sources told the Herald Sun a chair and photos were broken in the apartment.
Dye's arrest made front-page news in most Hong Kong newspapers, with Apple Daily running a picture of Dye sitting in a police car giving a thumb's up sign.
Dye, from New Zealand, rode 91 Group 1 winners in Australasia, including the 1995 W.S. Cox Plate on Octagonal.
He won four successive Golden Slippers from 1989-92.
He went to Hong Kong four years ago and is second on the jockeys' ladder this season with 65 winners.
The top five jockeys on the premiership ladder are traditionally granted a one-year licence renewal. But last week Dye was given a licence only until the International Race Day meeting in early December.
He can apply for an extension at that time.
The Hong Kong Jockey Club took the unprecedented step of downgrading Dye in response to what it said was persistent negative feedback from punters.
HKJC executive director of racing Winfried Englebrecht-Bresges said there had been consistent criticism of Dye despite his success.
"There is criticism on him on performance issues and he's perceived as inconsistent," Mr Englebrecht-Bresges said.
Dye had 10 rides at Sha Tin yesterday.
Chief steward Jamie Stier said the allegations against Dye were not a racing matter.
"In the past where jockeys have been the subject of racing-related inquiries, the jockey club has imposed immediate suspensions on them," Stier said.
"The key to that is that it was racing related. This is a domestic issue. At this stage he's allowed to continue riding."
Dye's ex-wife Karla said yesterday she was "very, very surprised" about the allegations.
"I'm shocked. I was with him for 17 years and never saw that side of him," she said.
"It's quite a shock. I can't really imagine him being capable of anything like that."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9766031%255E662,00.html
cheesebeast
07-06-2004, 16:46
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By Adrian Dunn
June 8, 2004
JOCKEY Shane Dye has moved out of his Hong Kong flat as the split with his estranged wife Emma Kate escalated.
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Dye booked into a hotel yesterday in a day that saw his wife locked in a meeting with solicitors. Sources told the Herald Sun Emma Kate was seeking a restraining order against Dye.
Dye, who confirmed he had moved out of the couple's apartment in the jockey's quarters at Sha Tin racecourse, said he was unaware of any restraining order.
Dye said he had legal advice not to make any comment about the incident last Saturday, which saw him arrested and Emma-Kate taken to hospital for treatment.
Police have not charged Dye, who must report back to them on June 23.
Police and ambulance crews were called to the flat by a female friend of Emma-Kate following a heated argument.
Dye and Emma-Kate, who was once the face of Moonee Valley night racing, married on May 28. They have a two-year-old son Jack.
It is believed leading trainer David Hayes tried to broker a peace meeting on Sunday night between the couple, but Emma-Kate was advised on legal grounds not to attend.
The Hong Kong Jockey Club, which owns the flats where the jockeys live, has ordered its investigators to take photographs of Dye's flat.
Dye is expected to ride at the remaining four meetings of the Hong Kong season before racing takes a recess until September.
Herald Sun
cheesebeast
10-06-2004, 14:52
Get in there and vote for Shane he's a moral to win this then!
Pick Your Favourite Horse and Jockey and Win a Car
9 June 2004
The voting of the Most Popular Horse of the Year and the Most Popular Jockey of the Year, which is being inaugurated this year, will start from this Saturday. Every vote counts in the final result of which horse and which jockey will get these awards. Participants will have a chance to win a Toyota car valued at HK$150,000 and Cathay Pacific Business Class air ticket within Asia for two. Voting online can receive an instant prize.
Nominees for Most Popular Horse of the Year
1. Electronic Unicorn 7. River Dancer
2. Elegant Fashion 8. Silent Witness
3. Figures 9. Super Kid
4. Great Win 10. Tiber
5. Industrial Success 11. Winner of the Juvenile Sprint Trophy
6. Lucky Owners
Nominees for Most Popular Jockey of the Year
1. Cheng, Howard Y T 6. Leung, Way M W
2. Coetzee, Felix 7. Lo, Paul P H
3. Doleuze, Olivier 8. Marcus, Anton
4. Dye, Shane 9. Mosse, Gerald
5. Lai, Eddy W M 10. Whyte, Douglas
Participants must be Hong Kong residents aged 18 or over and hold a valid Hong Kong Identity Card. Those who pick the winners of both the Most Popular Horse of the Year and the Most Popular Jockey of the Year will be eligible for a grand lucky draw, with the opportunity to win the following prizes: 1st Prize (1 winner) Toyota Car - Prius valued at HK$150,000
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3rd Prize (1 winner) Samsonite cash coupon valued at HK$8,000
4th Prize (1 winner) Cite Du Louvre wedding photo cash coupon valued at HK$5,000
5th Prize (1 winner) Sony Ericsson Z600 mobile phone valued at HK$2,400
Consolation Prize
(200 winners) King Fook Jewellery cash coupon valued at HK$100
http://www.hkjc.com/english/news/news_200406097503.htm
June 7, 2004
SHANE Dye's former wife Karla Langmack yesterday said she couldn't imagine the champion jockey being capable of hitting a woman.
Mrs Langmack was struggling to come to terms with the news her husband of 17 years had been arrested but not charged in Hong Kong on Saturday for allegedly assaulting Emma Kate Sullivan - his wife of nine days.
"I'm shocked," Mrs Langmack said. "I was with Shane for 17 years and I never saw that side of him at all. It's quite a shock, I can't really imagine him being capable of anything like that."
Dye's arrest has left his 12-year-old son Nicholas deeply distressed.
"Nicholas has had an horrific week," Mrs Langmack said. "His step-father [Paul Langmack] got sacked on Tuesday night [as coach of South Sydney] and now this has happened to his biological father."
Mrs Langmack said her relation ship with her former husband was still very strong and she promised to "support Shane in anyway I can".
"He's Nicholas' father, 17 years is a long time and if he needs my support I will definitely be there for him," she said.
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0%2C4057%2C9764708%255E13780%2C00.html
PS Douggy and Silent Witness would have to be the hot favs surely?
cheesebeast
25-07-2004, 22:20
Shane rode the winner of the G1 Singapore Derby today for Laurie Laxon.
Handy Harry
26-07-2004, 09:33
8 winners 4 the weekend
cheesebeast
28-07-2004, 09:56
Shane going back to his roots and riding at Te Rapa in NZ this coming weekend for Lance O'Sullivan (trainer now).
Dye riding for O'Sullivan at Te Rapa on Saturday 27 Jul 2004
By Dennis Ryan
Shane Dye, fresh from his Singapore Derby win on Dreyfuss last Sunday, plans to be at Te Rapa on Saturday to ride the Lance O’Sullivan-trained Our Kitty.
Dye, who served his apprenticeship alongside O’Sullivan before embarking on a hugely successful international career, contacted O’Sullivan today about helping him to his first win as a trainer.
'Shane plans to be in Matamata visiting family and rang to see if I had something he could ride for me on the weekend,' O’Sullivan told ThoroughbredNews.
'For a start I thought he was having me on, but it turns out he’s serious. I don’t know if he’s worried that I haven’t trained a winner yet but whatever, it’ll be great to leg him up and just fantastic if he can break my duck.'
Our Kitty finished second on O’Sullivan’s first day as a trainer at Tauranga a month ago. The Tale of the Cat filly, who has been ridden in her last two starts by Cameron Lammas, is entered for the progressive 1600 metre event, the last race on Saturday’s Taumarunui Racing Club meeting.
'It would have been good to have Leith (Innes, stable rider) on her, but without having seen the weights, I think he would have struggled to make hers,' said O’Sullivan.
Our Kitty showed her fitness for the weekend with a brilliant gallop at Matamata this morning. O’Sullivan believes that she will be the only mount Dye will take on Saturday.
http://www.thoroughbrednews.co.nz/nz/?id=14068
cheesebeast
31-07-2004, 09:08
Racing: Ride in mud to help out mate
31.07.2004
By JAMES GRAHAM
Super-star jockey Shane Dye can't remember too much about his last race day riding in New Zealand.
He has a hazy recollection of kicking home a group one winner or two at the Auckland Cup carnival aboard the Dave and Paul O'Sullivan-trained pair Coogee Walk and Vialli.
But it is safe to say he won't forget his return ride in a hurry, on Our Kitty in a $12,000 progressive 1600m event in the winter mud at Te Rapa today.
Our Kitty's trainer is Lance O'Sullivan, Dye's long-time pal. They were apprentices together at Matamata's Wexford Stables.
The pair's personalities are about as different as you can get.
O'Sullivan prefers the slower pace of country life; Dye, the winner of 91 group one winners in Australia, is the flashy rock star of the racing world.
But as Dye quickly points out, opposites do attract.
"I do feel lucky to be able to take this opportunity to ride for Lance and help him get his first winner as a trainer," said Dye between visiting family and friends in Matamata yesterday. "We are close friends and it will be nice to be able to say at least I've had one ride for him - it may be the only chance I get."
O'Sullivan admits he thought the visiting Dye was joking when he offered to help him end a short first training season on a high today.
The mount on Our Kitty, O'Sullivan's only runner today, became available when regular pilot Cameron Lammas hopped off to partner Elderain.
O'Sullivan said Our Kitty had worked well this week and should give Dye an easy ride in his one and only raceday appearance while back in New Zealand.
His instructions are simple enough: Sit back and go round them.
The globetrotting Dye, fresh from his Singapore Derby winning ride aboard the Laurie Laxon-trained Dreyfuss, says he keeps in touch with O'Sullivan at least once a week.
"But it's usually me who calls because he's too worried about the phone bills," said Dye, who at least shares a sense of humour with his mate.
He also turns to O'Sullivan for help when the line of questioning turns to his arrest in Hong Kong last month for allegedly assaulting his wife of eight days, Emma Sullivan.
Dye was later released on bail but charges were never laid.
"He wants to know about my marriage," said Dye to O'Sullivan, briefly breaking off the phone interview for a second opinion on a response.
"Let's just say," continues Dye, "that everyone has trouble or problems in their marriage."
So are they still together?
"Emma has gone back to Australia and I'll be returning to Hong Kong," said Dye, clearly not keen to be drawn further on the subject.
If Dye is still upset by the arrest and marriage bust-up, he wasn't showing it yesterday.
"I rode two winners the next day - nothing changes me."
As for reports that his future in Hong Kong is in the balance after the Jockey Club downgraded his licence from a year to three months, Dye rubbishes the speculation.
A recent report suggested that Dye's demotion was because of inconsistencies.
"How can I be inconsistent when I'm finishing second on the premiership with 70 winners each year?" asks Dye. "The new licence just allows me to ride for other trainers who haven't been able to use me up until now. After three months I'll be able to reapply."
As for following in O'Sullivan's footsteps and pursuing a training career when he retires, 37-year-old Dye is keeping his options open.
"I've no ambition at this stage to train, but I never thought Lance would and he has, so who knows."
Source (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sports/sportsstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3581441&thesection=sport&thesubsection=racing&thesecondsubsection=general)
Read in a Chinese paper that Dye's wife (ex?) Emma Kate is now with property developer Rob Matar. It's hard to remember that Dye and Kate only got married in June!
Gloryous
20-09-2004, 05:07
I can't recall reading any interview of the trainers and owners.
As to who is friendly with whom, I don't really pay much attention to this sort of things. Not that I don't believe such alliances don't exist, it's just that the alliances are likely to be constantly in flux and as outsiders, there's no way for us to figure out what's really happening. A lot of the so called inside info we get is just second hand gossip read in the papers. For example, I've read that Allan and Hayes, Moore and Fownes are friendly with one another, etc. Well, we can argue that Fownes is friendly with everybody because he has had hardly any wins over the past 3 months.
As for the Cruz brothers, isn't it amazing that last Saturday they didn't manage to have one single horse placed. Quite a difference from Jan 20 when the winners of the day were trained by:
R2 D Cruz
R3 T Cruz
R4 D Cruz
R5 T Cruz
R6 D Cruz
R9 D Cruz
I believe it was pure coincidence. But then I also believe in telepathy, ESP and that George Bush is an alien.
:) Telepathy definately, ESP maybe but George an alien? Nah, he's an overgrown Munchkin. Have any of you ever heard Tony Cruz singing? :eek:
Gloryous
20-09-2004, 05:15
Read in a Chinese paper that Dye's wife (ex?) Emma Kate is now with property developer Rob Matar. It's hard to remember that Dye and Kate only got married in June! What woman would wed if they knew it takes away their freedom of speach as well as their identity as an individual?
Shallow Hal
20-09-2004, 09:45
shane must be hooked on wedding cake.... latest mail is he's now found a nice chinese girl to help pay the rent.
cheesebeast
01-10-2004, 23:06
Shane is making a lightning raid to Flemington tomorrow with 7 rides including Hayes' ex-HK horses All Thrills Too and Charming City.
Dye, Shane 01 04 Red Enzo Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
03 01 Charming City Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
05 13 Roll On Royce Kennewell, G D (7.0)
06 06 Jameela Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
07 13 Confectioner Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
09 01 All Thrills Too Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
10 05 Ulysses Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
His Caulfield Cup mount Confectioner running tomorrow and apparently a strong chance in the C Cup.
Gloryous
02-10-2004, 03:27
Shane is making a lightning raid to Flemington tomorrow with 7 rides including Hayes' ex-HK horses All Thrills Too and Charming City.
Dye, Shane 01 04 Red Enzo Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
03 01 Charming City Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
05 13 Roll On Royce Kennewell, G D (7.0)
06 06 Jameela Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
07 13 Confectioner Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
09 01 All Thrills Too Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
10 05 Ulysses Tony Mc Evoy (9.4)
His Caulfield Cup mount Confectioner running tomorrow and apparently a strong chance in the C Cup. I feel like betting on two 'names' in this list. Yes I am a typical femail mug punter but I wouldn't lose much if I did, so I won't tell you which. Good luck!
:D
'Clearly there was interference but I was not careless'
ALAN AITKEN
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Glyn Schofield completes his century of wins in Hong Kong on Taking The Lead. Picture by Kenneth Chan
Top jockey Shane Dye will consider an appeal against a careless-riding ban at Happy Valley last night and keep intact his upcoming overseas Group One commitments after a night of thrills and upsets.
Dye pleaded not guilty but was found guilty of careless riding by the stewards' panel and handed a two-day ban and a $35,000 fine following a Community Chest Cup marred by interference. The race was won by David Hill-trained Tanahmerah (Robbie Fradd) but there was a trail of hard-luck tales behind him.
Stewards contended that Dye's mount, King Of Fish, had shifted in the straight when tight against Money Strong, causing Triumph (Michael Rodd) to clip heels and almost fall.
Dye would be forced to miss upcoming Group One rides in Singapore and Australia when the ban commences after Saturday's Sha Tin meeting but indicated an appeal was not out of the question.
"Clearly there was interference but I was not careless," Dye said. "The shift by my horse was absolutely minimal and I will take some more time to look at the replay again before I consider if I should appeal."
Dwayne Dunn also copped a suspension of two days and a $25,000 fine from the same race after an incident involving his mount Happy Together.
South African trainer David Ferraris took training honours with a pair but went from punters' pal to their nemesis as he made bookends of the card.
Former Ivan Allan-trained Tea For Champ won the opener in Class Five after getting every favour from Anthony Delpech in the run out of gate one.
"I want to thank Ivan for some the horses he sent my way when he retired," Ferraris said. "Some of them were low-grade horses like this fellow but all the wins count. All anyone needs in Hong Kong is a break and it was good of Ivan to steer them my way."
While Tea For Champ was a well-backed second favourite, Ferraris was there to blow punters out of the water in the last when Noble Silence (Shane Dye) put up a spectacular performance to win at over 58-1.
Dye rode the Zimbabwe-bred quietly and was still last as the leaders came to the 200-metres mark before he sprouted wings with a devastating sprint.
"He'd only had one previous Happy Valley run and that was in a 1,000-metre race when he galloped on and pulled out of the race last season," said Ferraris. "I've always felt he was a nice horse but at Sha Tin he's been racing up on the speed and not really going on. Obviously the way to ride him is like Shane rode him tonight - do nothing on him until late in the race and unleash that sprint."
SCMP
cheesebeast
16-10-2004, 01:40
The Dye is set
October 16, 2004
Now a Hong Kong hoop, Shane Dye makes no apologies for his life in the spotlight - it's just the way he likes it, reports Greg Baum.
Blond and Shane, the jockey Dye and the cricketer Warne have much in common, although not stature and diet. Both are gifted at what they do. Both are cocky, brash and supremely selfassured. Dye is "Billy Idol", Warne "Hollywood".
Both inspire strong reactions, and leave no one half-sure. Both are followed around by headlines.
Both have lived turbulent personal lives. Dye's second marriage collapsed after a week earlier this year, amid allegations of an assault on his wife, Sale of the Century model Emma-Kate Sullivan. Neither, for better or worse, makes an effort to be other than who he is. Each asks to be taken or left as himself. Both thrill to competition, rise to occasions, run on adrenalin. "I love the atmosphere. The horses. The glamour," said Dye this week.
"The thrill of winning. There's nothing better than the thrill of winning. There's so much. So much." Like Warne, he loves the sniff of battle. It is a kind of bloodlust.
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Shane Dye
Photo: Tim Clayton
Dye first rode a horse at two, and now at 37, wants only to ride horses still. Asked what he would do if it was all taken away tomorrow, Dye momentarily fumbled for words. "I'd have to do something else very quickly," he said. "I don't know. I'm not worrying about that just yet. But I will soon. Soon."
But it will not be training, a patient and finicky business to which he is temperamentally unsuited. He sees himself in the media, as does Warne, blinking in the arc lights, babbling to camera, living on his experience and wits.
He has dabbled already while suspended. Latterly, Dye has been plying his trade in Hong Kong. Racing there is a big, intensive and dangerous business.
There are only two meetings a week, on Wednesday nights and Sundays, but both are packed out. Prizemoney is huge, slings to jockeys generous and more is bet on a workaday race than will be wagered across all of Australia on the Melbourne Cup.
"Every race in Hong Kong is like a Melbourne Cup. There's a lot of betting on the races," said Dye. "Not only that, you must perform. There's 24 newspapers, and there are TV stations which cover racing every day. The papers cover it immensely.
"You're continually in the public eye here. They have stats on everything. You must perform - you haven't got an option. You've got to perform or you can't stay here."
Corruption is a constant threat, and vigilance against it overlooks nothing. Jockeys are monitored in their social lives, regularly questioned about the company they keep, and sometimes made to account for acquaintanceships captured on private-eye photographs.
Jockeys live lavishly in Jockey Club apartments, at the Jockey Club's expense, but also at its leisure. Dye's licence was shortened by three months recently after punters judged him to be "inconsistent", and it is up for renewal in December. It is a pressure cooker that has proved too much for many great jockeys, but in which Dye thrives.
"I don't know any other way, because in my life, I've always had ups and downs, and always had pressures, whether it be personal or work or whatever," he said.
"That's just my life. I've always dealt with it. It means nothing to me, pressure."
He won with his first ride in Hong Kong, and one day rode the winners of all four feature races. One season, he kicked home winners that fetched $11 million in prizemoney.
But he also had his worst race fall there, three years ago. Dye rides high in the saddle and lives high on the hog in Hong Kong, but is aware always of the risk of falling. Like Warne, he loves the challenge and the spoils.
When not riding in Hong Kong, Dye spends hours studying the form, or otherwise plays golf with close friend David Hayes, or watches televised sport. It is a comfortable life, but narrow, and it is not hard to imagine that it was too suffocating for Emma-Kate and their two-year-old son Jack.
They are now back in Australia. Dye will not expound on the parting. "I don't comment on that," he said. "I'm good as gold. 100 per cent."
Dye is a selfadmitted sports junkie who misses Australia's live sport, but compensates by watching everything on the hundreds of channels available in Asia. His favourite is gridiron. "I think it's the greatest game there is," he said.
"I think it's a game of chess. I think they're very, very skilful. I think referees don't make mistakes.
"You're getting a true result, whereas a lot of <a href="http://go-advertising.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> of ours - AFL, rugby league - referees decide the game and it's unfair. The right team should win.
"I think it's great that it's stop-start. I think they are athletes . . . I just love the game."
Dye calls Hong Kong his third home. New Zealand was his first, Australia his second. In Australia, he won the Melbourne Cup and Cox Plate and four Golden Slippers in a row but, oddly, never a Caulfield Cup.
His most infamous misadventure was in 1992 when he took the favourite, Veandercross, many metres wide - to where the going was better, he said - and lost narrowly to Mannerism.
He was roundly jeered by punters and it has been love-hate ever since. Dye was booed even at the breakfast with the stars once. Warne has never suffered this indignity, but then he never has had to explain away the losing of a Test match by himself. Dye sees it as part of the game. "It's only natural," he said.
Not once has Dye equivocated about or apologised for his tactics that day. "I was over it on day one," he said. "You can't do anything about it; once you ride the race, that's it. It's been 10, 12 years." It was suggested that if he was asked often enough, his answer might change one day. "Good luck," he said.
In truth, a jockey cannot afford to dwell on the weight of punters' money that he carries, any more than he can think about the high fatality rate, for both are occupational hazards. Over the journey, Dye's record speaks for itself. He's won many big races, including the big city cups, and two Sydney jockeys' premierships.
He became known for his fastidious preparation, for how he identified rides weeks ahead and studied them and their rivals up to the hour of the race. He also became known for poaching rides from fellow jockeys, which, depending on your standpoint, is either unscrupulous or the reality of a tough business.
He has lived well, but also frugally, in the jockey's way; for as long as he can remember, his diet has consisted of chocolate for breakfast, nothing during the day and a modest meal in the evening. There were never baked beans.
Dye has played up on his personality, and the headlines have followed. He said his public persona was a pantomime, performed to stir up interest in racing. "Realistically, it's not me. You can ask anyone who knows me what I'm like," he said.
"How would I describe myself?" He pauses. "Someone who wants to be successful, someone who rides a lot of winners, someone who works hard, someone who wants to keep riding.
"Personally? I'm definitely not shy. I think everyone in the limelight enjoys it sometimes, but sometimes they don't. You've got to take the good with the bad."
Dye made a flying visit to Melbourne last weekend to ride Confectioner in the Turnbull Stakes, nine hours of flying each way for a few minutes of high flying at Caulfield.
He said <a href="http://0-2u.com?go=travel" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: travel';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">travel</a> was part of his trade, and that he had long ago overcome the temptation felt by every long-distance flyer to fill in the idle hours by eating every passing meal. "I watch movies and sleep," he said. "It's never worried me."
Dye is back today to ride Confectioner in the cup. "I've got a very good horse. It's going to be very well trained," he said. "Good owner, David Hayes. I'm sure he'll run well. His run the other day was very, very good."
Win or lose, he expects a reception at race's end, for receptions are his milieu.
As Oscar Wilde noted: "There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."
Courtesy Melbourne Age (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/15/1097784051538.html)
cheesebeast
07-08-2005, 14:03
Dye opens proceedings at Randwick 6 Aug 2005By Rob BurnetTop international hoop Shane Dye opened proceedings at the Australian Jockey Club’s meeting at Randwick on Saturday winning the first race of the day on the Allen Denham trained Prima Nocta.
Dye rode Prima Nocta quietly in the $55,000, Omnicorp Handicap (1600m) for fillies and mares and he made the telling run down the outside of the field to arrive uninterrupted at the post by a short neck.
The Bart Cummings trained Kosi Bay (NZ) was second after being held up for a run at the 300m. A clear passage jockey Jay Ford said would have resulted in the Spinning World mare winning. Cherine (Brief Truce) was third with the margin a long neck.
The time was 1.36.73, the final 600m on the good track was 35.38.
Dye has been holidaying in Sydney before returning to Hong Kong which he does on Sunday. He takes up a position as a stable rider for the first time and he will be attached to the stable of Danny Shum.
“My job is to make Danny the leading trainer,” said Dye.
“Danny has between 60 and 62 horses in the stable at any one time which is the maximum you can have.
“He was third on the trainer’s premiership last year after being a trainer for two years,” he said.
Shum was assistant to the legendry Ivan Allan prior to being given a trainers licence by the Hong Kong Jockey Club.
Prima Nocta is a four-year-old King Ivor mare out of Fine Preparation (by Cavalry) and she raced for one of Shelly Hancox’s syndicates and PW Hexter, JA Hunter, Ms HB Price and GJ Rees. It was her fifth win from 13 starts. With four places she has earned stakes of $99,150.
http://www.thoroughbrednews.co.nz/australia/?id=19384
Plenty of even money here CS Shum being leading trainer...and what price S Dye even sees out the season? Owners turn off him very quickly, as P O'Sullivan found out. Only Size's strength as leading trainer was able to keep Dye riding for that stable as long as he did. Lives in dreamland SD. Anyone who has seen him ride in Sydney lately is horrified that he might soon be back. :eek: :eek: :eek:
with Munce and Prebble out for long periods, it looks like SD is the only one doing the right thing
Ha ha ha :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Dye RS....haave a look in the encyclopedia under "Protected species"
Dont talk about GOD like that , he is the best and still is the best :p
Dave Letterman, ran the segment, the 10 best things SD is good at. They fell short, can anybody assist. VEandercross was top of the list
maryfrancis3
07-02-2006, 07:51
By the way...... Is Figjam aka Shane Dye not riding lately??
SD suspended but comes back this weekend...
cheesebeast
27-02-2006, 23:50
Redoubtable Super Kid took his place in history with the treble yesterday after a nail-biting Hong Kong Gold Cup victory that gave jockey Shane Dye his 100th Group One success.
http://racing.scmp.com/freeservice/news/news20060227.asp
One-time superstar jockey Shane Dye is set to return to Australia. Dye yesterday relinquished his licence to ride in Hong Kong and can resume riding in Australia in early March.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/horseracing/freedman-accepts-leading-role-at-ajc/2008/02/14/1202760494901.html
"I want to make it clear that I'm not unhappy here - I love it, it's the best racing scene in the world. But at the moment, I simply am not doing enough riding to get my form back to where I want it to be and it can't happen in Hong Kong ," said the 41-year-old yesterday. "I'm going back to Sydney for the rest of this season, but I will be applying for a Hong Kong licence again."
Dye said a combination of injuries and the two months' worth of suspension he is currently serving have left him short of "match practice" and riding at a level well below his true capabilities.
In June 2006, Dye suffered a life-threatening fall at Sha Tin which left him with multiples injuries and requiring emergency brain surgery. Despite making his race riding comeback three months later, to the day, he never quite found his proper rhythm last term as a result.
"I felt I was finally getting my fitness and my rhythm back early this season and I had started very well, when I had that accident after a horse kicked me in the barriers and I injured my ribs," Dye said.
"That meant three weeks off and now I've had another two months with these suspensions.
"At my age, I'm not riding often enough to get back to being properly fit. With two meetings a week and a handful of trials a week, it won't happen in Hong Kong. It isn't something I've been planning. I just woke up this morning and it was a snap decision - I have to go back to Sydney.
"I miss my children and it will be great to see them more when I'm there but that isn't what this is about as they come to Hong Kong pretty frequently anyway."
Dye believes he will need only a few weeks in the more intensive Sydney riding schedule to recover his top form and, along the way, will return to pilot Jackpot Delight in the Mercedes-Benz Hong Kong Derby on March 16.
"When I finish my suspensions on March 2 there are six race meetings in the following eight days in Sydney plus a lot of trials and plus trackwork," he explained. "I'm hoping to be back for the Derby ride. As it stands now and if I stayed here, I would be riding in the Derby with very little riding for months before it."
The injuries and penalties have anchored Dye this term, with just seven wins and languishing lower than he has ever been on a championship ladder in his 25-year career.
One of Australia's all-time great Group One riders, Dye has made his mark here with 382 winners and more than HK$329 million in stakes, including seven Group Ones and a close association with former glamour sprinter and Horse Of the Year, Grand Delight.
He has not won a jockeys' championship but was runner-up to Douglas Whyte in 2002, 2003 and 2004.
scmp
Shane hasnt been riding anywhere near his best since that bad fall - hope we see him back again in HK soon.
Seabiscuit
15-02-2008, 17:26
I doubt that Dye will ever go back to HK except for one off rides
Suspect he has achieved what he wanted to do there except win the premiership and now that he has not been riding a lot of winners it is time for a change and back to some quality racing
cheesebeast
30-04-2008, 11:51
Under fire Dye won't rule out retirement
Craig Young
April 28, 2008
SHANE DYE had heard the talk. The racing headline-maker has endured a rough trot since returning from eight lucrative years riding in Hong Kong.
Whispers abound that the winner of 90-odd group 1 races is going to give the game away.
"I've got to retire some time," Dye replied when asked about it.
He was standing outside the stewards' room at Randwick on Saturday night. The Melbourne Cup and four-time Golden Slipper-winning jockey was fending off Racing NSW stewards' concerns that he had caused interference in the Doncaster Handicap.
Dye explained to stewards that his mount, Pinnacles, which had been threaded through a narrow gap on the fence around the 200-metre mark, did move out, ever so slightly.
And it wasn't helped when Eskimo Queen, which was getting pressure from the outside, bumped Pinnacles' hindquarters.
Dye had held his nerve on the track and was precise and calm in the stewards' room.
He had no case to answer. But what about retirement? Could it be next week, a couple of weeks?
"We all retire," Dye said. "No, I've got my fingers in a couple of pies and it is just a matter of working out which is the biggest pie."
Dye, who appears on Channel Nine's Sunday sport show, has been staying with leading bookmaker Colin Tidy since returning from Hong Kong at the end of February. Dye knows the relationship has cost him race rides but admits to being loyal.
"I'd love to stay there for 12 months just to rub it in," he said.
But it was never the intention. Dye's Hong Kong furniture is due out of quarantine this week. There is a penthouse awaiting at the top end of Sydney.
"I'll be right then," Dye said.
Once, he had to fend off offers to ride racehorses. He worked the phone like no one had before when ruling the racing scene in the 1990s. But it isn't ringing nowadays. Dye knows a major race victory over the carnival would ensure the mobile buzzes.
Dye will team with another Kiwi, trainer John Wheeler, for Saturday's Sydney Cup. He will ride Pentathon, which is coming off a fifth behind Tuesday Joy in The BMW at Rosehill last Saturday week.
"He wants a good track, he can stay," Dye said.
But will the jockey?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/horseracing/under-fire-dye-wont-rule-out-retirement/2008/04/27/1209234654492.html
virtualsinga
01-05-2008, 20:59
Whats happening to O Doleuz ? His rides are running on the spot most of the time. I used to follow Douleuz , made a few bucks too - but now I wont bet even a cent on any of his horses, especially after hearing rumours about him and his connections.
You think he will Dye the same way?
Latest: this is what the stewards thought about Doleuze"s riding in race 11
O Doleuze (TOWERING FEELING) was told whilst the Stewards accepted his mount had been interfered with in the early part of the Straight, he nonetheless has an obligation to resume riding his mount out at least hands and heels to the end of the race where circumstances permit.
I backed Towering Feeling and I dont think it was one of his best rides, but he 'may' have been a victim of circumstances.
The horse missed the kick which is highly unusual for him, then mustered through into a good spot. Coming to the turn he was fairly tight on the inside of runners with no where to go and from then on the race was over. Whether he rode him out after that was of no consequence to me as his chances of winning were gone.
If you look further into the reports, Towering Feeling has a breathing problem. At least Olivier doesn't have them sitting out on the outside fence like his compatriots
virtualsinga
03-05-2008, 09:52
In spite of those 'excuses', the stewards must really be sitting up and taking closer looks at O Doleuz's rides from now onwards.
There were many past incidents of O Doleuz 'good' rides finishing nowhere. I decided to watch the way he rides and I could sense the lack of enthusiasm . I think the racing stewards feel that way about O Doluez too.
Like I said he better buck up and disconnect if he doenst want to Dye prematurely.
cheesebeast
13-05-2008, 16:00
Shane Dye's comeback to Australian racing, after almost a decade in Hong Kong, has hit a hurdle. Dye was injured on Saturday at Doomben when a stirrup iron broke at the end of the opening race, sending him sprawling to the turf. He injured his rib cartilage in the freakish incident and faces an indefinite period on the sidelines.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23687602-5013406,00.html
Gloryfication
13-05-2008, 16:13
Who would be a jock?!
Think he will make another comeback?
He'll be back, but he was struggling to get rides as it is. this will set him back even further.
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